19T brushless equivilent?

[KC]

What brushless motor is the equivilent of a 19T?

Has anyone run one of these yet?

[Garrypd160]

Its a 10.5

I am planning to have one for the second round of the carlisle cup, and anyone with a brushless speedo will be welcome to try it.

[Dave]

Because there is no set equalivalent to a 19T, there is a big arguement why not to bring them in but in moving with technology I am of the strong opinion that they should be allowed but maybe a controlled motor so you are still fair.

[Kevin Falconer]

where have we heard this discussion before? all this talk of brushless "equalivalents" is complete and utter crap, you cannot compare a brushless motor to a brushed. the only way brushless motors will ever be used in a stock class is if EVERYONE in the class is using the same one.

[big si]

have a look here kenny all has been dscussed before

http://www.falkirkrcc.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=958


how can anyone say there are no equivilents between brushed and brushless when its the manufacturer that says there is!

they make them and i would think they should know

[big si]

the only way brushless motors will ever be used in a stock class is if EVERYONE in the class is using the same one.


so what about brushed motors at the moment just look at the difference in power between them there is no real arguement here

i say scrap all classes and lets all have one class to concentrate on not the current 6 or 7 (taken from the words of mark ewing)

[Garrypd160]

To be fair, I have been running brushless, and I'm inclined to agree with Kev (shock horror). The brushless motors are not equivalent to brushed motors. The brushless motors have an advantage on smaller twistier tracks, and a brushed motor has an advantage on a more open 'power' track.

But, I do still believe, that eventually, brushless will be the way to go. You see it in mod now, there are very few people running brushed.
The problem is in the transition period. Like I say above, brushless has an advantage at some tracks, and brushed at others. Now I know that for myself, if thats the case, then I'll run brushless at the tracks where it has the advantage, and brushed where it has the advantage, so you can forget about te cost savings until it goes completely brushless.

But if we dont allow them to run at club meets, and at championship rounds, then we will never get to see how they go. I'm of the opinion that it really needs to be a seperate class, but at the moment there are not enough people with the motors to warrant that, so we need to look at making allowances for that. Even if it means running in the same heats/finals but scoring for a seperate championship.

[Kevin Falconer]

and after one shock its now time for another, YES I AGREE WITH GARRY BRUSHLESS IS THE WAY FORWARD. iv had this coversation with a number of folk recently and clearly in modified the brushed motor is on its death bed. garry you mention the tansition period and yes again i agree this is early days in that period but most folk including myself are not happy to allow brushless to run with brushed in a championship series (srca scc etc) due to the fact you mention above, some tracks suit brushless, some tracks sut brushed. if you dont have both available then you are at a disadvantage, again like you say there is not enough folk for seperate classes so how do we evaluate???? the carlsile series. the opportunity has been provided to all run together and compare so im expecting a large number of brushless and lipo to appear at round 2. im still not convinced about brushless stock Vs brushed stock though again like i said brushless stock equivilents will never get my vote to run along side brushed stock on the basis that they are completly diferent technology, brushless stock will only ever work if everyone is running the same one then it comes down to who has the best cells. i would say though that i think its time the 27 turn motor was binned as the quality of the motors being suppied these days is shocking and their life span is becoming increasingly shorter, maybe time to replace it with a brushless class????

thoughts??

[Garrypd160]

The other big problem with having a brushless stock class (lets forget about it replacing brushed, or running alongside it for a moment), is that the brushless manufacturers haven't come up with a standard. Novak Claim that the 13.5 is similar (lets stop using equivalent) to a 27t Brushed motor, and I do believe that to be the case, although I have seen a lot of people claim its not, but LRP and Nosram have released a 15.5, claiming it to be similar to a 27t. So if we are going to have a brushless class, assuming you allow what the manufacturers call similar to a 27t, then everyone will buy the Novak motor as it has more power.

I'm not sure that this is a problem as such, but there are loads of posts regarding the cost of the new LRP/Nosram motors, and with them costing £40 compared to the Novak £75, then its easy to see which one wins the cost argument. But who is honestly going to buy a slower motor because it is cheaper?

The other option is to allow all 13.5 (or any number you choose) brushless motors, and then let the racers decide which to run. But I'm sure there will be a few moans about that too.

You cant please all the people all the time.

I agree that the Carlisle Cup is a great place to show what brushless and lipo can do, the only problem being that there are not enough people turning up to see the results.

I am the first to admit that my driving ability is probably not up to the task of showing what the new technology can do, so I'm happy for someone (or a few folk) to try the motor, or even lipo if they fancy it, and hopefully it will provide us with some better information.

After the first round, what I can say about brushless and lipo is, that it makes your day a lot more enjoyable. It gives you plenty of time between rounds to adjust your car set up, fix any breakages and have a wander round the pitting area. One battery for all day, with no noticeable drop in performance, no discharging, equalising or skimming motors is definitely the way forward!!!

[Kevin Falconer]

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I am the first to admit that my driving ability is probably not up to the task of showing what the new technology can do, so I'm happy for someone (or a few folk) to try the motor, or even lipo if they fancy it, and hopefully it will provide us with some better information.

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i will take you up on that offer garry, im planning on buying a brushless system in the not too distant future so the opportunity to try it for a few practice laps would be appreciated if its ok?

[Garrypd160]

That'll be fine Kev. Do you have a brushless speedo?

[Kevin Falconer]

i dont the now but possibly buying one from john lindsay this weekend, im sure we can sort something out though

[Garrypd160]

Yeh, if it comes to it, you can always have a go with a mans car, instead of that Xray thing :mrgreen:

[Kevin Falconer]

so you replaced that cyclone with..........????