SRCA series

[madmac]

Yesterday saw the last round of the 2007 SRCA series, Stonehaven was the venue with another great turnout from the Falkirk club

Out of the 42 racers, 18 were Falkirk Radio Car Club members.

It was again great to see all our young guns making the long trip north to compete, they all did themselfs and our club proud.

The weather did its best to dampen our spirits on the Sunday but to no avail, we still had a great time.

Well done to Stephen Creswell who tied up the modified Championship and the 5 falkirk members who finished in the top ten of the 19 turn.

Alan Easson 2nd, Colin Leslie 4th, John Lindsay 5th, Alan Lindsay 9th (also top Junior) and Kenny Clark 10th. well done to all on some great races over the season,

What we need for next year is more numbers, we need to get as many people as possible racing in our national championship.
I dont think getting 60 or 70 racing would be impossible.
we had 71 people who raced in the two classes over the 6 rounds so lets get them all racing at every round!!

I also feel with the numbers we have at present one class would be enough for the SRCA, any ideas on that?

Many Regards

[Dave]

What class is the problem tho?

It would bring people together but people who run in 19T ahve two reasons, because they want to run 19T or they want to be the best in the most competitive class.

Do you run 19T class or open class?

[Kevin Falconer]

this topic of going to one class has been discussed between many people at other clubs and the general opinion has been that going to one class may be the answer to getting more racers but it would have to be 19 turn, going to one open class as has been suggested by some would, IN MY OWN PERSONAL OPINION, be the end of scottish outdoor touring car racing. i do not wish to sound disrespectfull to anyone but the truth needs to be said, there are not enough drivers in scotland with the ability required to drive modified at a aceptable level and going to one open modified class would be forcing those without that ability to run modified in an attempt to not be left laps behind, the argument of " no one is forcing anyone to run mod, just run 19" dont wash, can you imagine running a 3.5 brushless at stonehaven or benarty and comng upon some poor kid who is running a 19 and going at probably about half the speed??? its not going to be pretty.

i dont run modified on a regular basis because i choose not to, i chose to run 19 turn in the last round of the carlisle cup and ended up being punted out the way several times, mixing the 2 gives you more drivers but also more carnage, it dont work.

[Garrypd160]

Thats exactly the problem with one class. No1 can agree which class it should be. The mod guys dont wanna do 19t and the 19t guys dont wanna do mod. And I have to agree with Kev, that the open class has been a nightmare. I've run 19t and got fed up counting how many times I was lapping someone with a 7 or 8 and I get past only for them to harpoon me at the next corner.

Mod class is great since it allows brushless and we dont have to skim motors, but its just too fast for a lot of people (myself included)

But that doesn't mean we should restric the guys who do run it.

The big problem we have is a lack of racers, in all classes. So rather than try to bring more in, we're trying to drive away some of the ones we do have by forcing them into a class they dont want

[Dave]

I myself know I am not the best driver but going from 19T to Mod is going to be a leap for anyone as the throttle skill is needed now. I have found this in the last year but it would never put me off running mod as that would be quitting. Mod isn'tfor some people but myself i like it and want to stick with it so i can go faster and become a better racer

[Kevin Falconer]

maybe its just me but i fail to see where the problem is with the 2 classes we have at the moment, we have a 'stock' class and an 'open' class so the choice is there for all, i dont think we are going to attract more drivers but probably loose some from changing what we have, its been said before and it wll be said again no doubt but you cant MAKE people race, i dare say there are very few folk who attend any of our clubs who isnt aware of the srca or our series but if they dont want to come along we cant force them. i dont think there is a problem with the 19 turn series, there is a good support from all clubs and it is the most compettitive class, no question. the problem is the modified series and more to the point how do we get more people interested in racing modified?? i can only speak for myself, i enjoy racing modified at the rare meetings that i do but i prefer19 turn because ts closer and more compettitive racing. would i run modified given the chance? yes, my suggestion....

make srca meetings 2day events, saturday 19 turn sunday modified, that way you can pick and choose if you do one or both series. im sure there are folk in both classes who would run in the other class.

thoughts folks???

[Garrypd160]

That would suit me. I would gladly run in both classes, but if I have to pick one, its always gonna be 19t for the reasons you said. I like close racing with drivers of similar ability. Spending 5 minutes moving out the way doesnt really appeal to me. The only problem is, a lot of the clubs that currently host a round dont have the facility for 2 day events, and people are in the huff as it is coz they cant get home in time for Coronation Street. Imagine their horror if they had to go racing for 2 whole days :-P

[Dave]

That sounds like a good idea to me.

Would places like falkirk and ayr be able to get a facility for the 2 days and is it going to bring enough revenue to cover this?

[Malcolm Williams]

maybe its just me but i fail to see where the problem is with the 2 classes we have at the moment, we have a 'stock' class and an 'open' class so the choice is there for all, i dont think we are going to attract more drivers but probably loose some from changing what we have, its been said before and it wll be said again no doubt but you cant MAKE people race, i dare say there are very few folk who attend any of our clubs who isnt aware of the srca or our series but if they dont want to come along we cant force them. i dont think there is a problem with the 19 turn series, there is a good support from all clubs and it is the most compettitive class, no question. the problem is the modified series and more to the point how do we get more people interested in racing modified?? i can only speak for myself, i enjoy racing modified at the rare meetings that i do but i prefer19 turn because ts closer and more compettitive racing. would i run modified given the chance? yes, my suggestion....

make srca meetings 2day events, saturday 19 turn sunday modified, that way you can pick and choose if you do one or both series. im sure there are folk in both classes who would run in the other class.

thoughts folks???

I agree with you, I unfortunately was with out my pit man / driver or I would have been at Stonehaven and one if not two of the other venues and since getting my brushless system would have entered both classes.

Its the driving to and from venues that is difficult for me, being disabled, and I have to get home each night for medical reasons so without a driver it is difficult for me on the long distance runs.

Hopefully next time I will be able to get things organised better.

Still learning the brushless control but hopefully the Normadio will make up for my slow reaction time as it appears to with 19T and 27T at the club; although yet to try it on the brushless system.:roll::oops::wink:

I presume the two days for Falkirk would be on, ask Si, and ask Alex about Ayr.

Revenue wise I would think it would at least draw even seeing the numbers from Falkirk that attended according to the reports; you'd have to ask the officials though to make sure and find out the break even costs for alternative venues etc.

A lot I would assume depends on early booking of the venues to get preferencial rates and or number of booking per year etc.

[Smart Racing]

I think the problem with multiple classes is that it does not really show who is the best ( I am sure there are strong arguments from both camps), what is true is that running a hot modified or brushless system is more challenging on smaller circuits (predominantly what we race on in Scotland) and that is why some 19t's can compete over a lap and and a race with most modifieds, however if everone was running in the same class the the problem Garry mentions of being torpedoed at the end of the straight would to a large extent disappear since we would all have a more similar level of performance.

From my own experience running a 7 turn mod last year I feel that my driving improved beyond what I would have achieved with a years 19T running.

As for 19t class being more competetive I think thats a function of it being "easier" (not easy) to drive ,19T puts the power down with less driver input, automatically brakes more off power than a mod / brushless so it helps on corner entry, is not so rapid on acceleration therefore not so difficult to be consistent through technical sections.

Interesting to note that 49 "Scottish" drivers entered the mod classes at the Much More GP , that says to me that budget was not the issue as a fair proportion of that 49 would have gone out and purchased a mod or brushless system for 1 event.

So with all of that said what is the answer ?

Well perhaps for Scotland we should use all of the brca classes !
By that I mean hold a championship where we all race stock at 1 round 19T at the next and mod at the next and so on but structure the scoring rules such that you must score points from at least 1 round of any given motor class.

for example
Round 1 stock 27t Ayr
Round 2 super stock 19t Raceland
Round 3 Open Stonehaven
Round 4 stock 27t Carlisle
Round 5 super stock 19t Benarty
Round 6 Open Falkirk

3 very different diciplines , 3 different sets of skills, 1 Champion !

Food for thought

Colin

[John Lindsay]

Sounds like a good idea Colin, and I admit I quite like it.


The only downfall that I could possibly pick out is that it may well put off some of the younger drivers, who may be fooled into thinking they HAVE to run Mod at the given mod rounds, which could seem like a lot of outlay for the younger guys, thinking that they have to buy 3 different kinds of motors, granted a lot of drivers may already be equipped for this.

The thing we would also need to ensure is that nobody feels that they are forced to run a mod at the mod rounds, when they could run their 19T in the mod class if they so desired.

I myself do not know what the solution is, but do not want to rule anything out, the single class did seem to be the way to go, but again, as with everything, it had it's downfalls, mainly, which class should it be?



John

[Kevin Falconer]

colins suggestion has logic and to an extent it could work, but why should someone HAVE to run mod or HAVE to run 19 or HAVE to run 27 if they want to count in the series,

whats wrong with having a 19 turn champion and a modifed champion?

BRCA has a 27, 19 and modifed champion......

john, the one mixed class is not working, one (stock) class probably would. it wont please the guys that want to run mod, there is no solution to keep everyone happy apart from givng folk a choice of what they want to race which is exactly what we have already...

why wreck what we have just to try and get a couple more people to race, people know the srca is there and if they want to come they will, we cant make them

[Garrypd160]

I agree with what Kev says in his last bit. What we have isn;t the ideal solution, as we're not getting the numbers. But I dont think it'll make any difference what we run. There will be the same 40ish people who regularly turn out. The people who've raced this year (from what I have seen) like the current format. The people that are at clubs I go to, who dont come and race, dont stay away because of the format. They stay away because they dont want to race. And theres not much you can do to change that.

People are happy to race when its in their back garden and they dont have to put anything into it. As soon as you ask them for a bit more, they're not interested. So unless anyone knows of a way to drag them along, we may as well forget about the format, as it keeps the current crop of racers (reasonably) happy

[Smart Racing]

Currently you dont have to run a modified in the open class, you can if you want to run a 19t , however only 19t spec motors as per the BRCA list can be used in the 19T class (SRCA 2007 Supplementary Regs)

So think about this :-

27t rounds would need to be 27t only (as per whatever rules are chosen at the agm)
19t rounds could be 19t or 27t (as per whatever rules are chosen at the agm)
Open rounds would be..............Open

Under the above scenario I dont think many people would "have" to buy motors, infact the 27t and 19t days would actually allow anybody who does not own a 19t or mod to race with thier 27t which currently under SRCA 2007 Supplementary Regs is not allowed in 19t class so that point on its own is inclusive for any driver how may only want to take part in his own clubs SRCA round (thus swelling numbers)

I think the super pole concept would "grade" most people beside drivers of similar performance (unless it rains agian next year which I am sure it wont :confused:).

On the shorter tracks the difference between a 27 and a 19 will be no worse than the difference between 19 and mod........ take a close look at lap times and overall qualy times this year......... the differences even at Stony (a power circuit if ever there was one) are surprisingly small.

I have raced at West London on the same layout with a 9 single modified and with a 27t stock (different days) , my stock time is 1 second less than 1 lap off my mod time, on both days my car was handling well.

SRCA qualy 2007 19t pole v mod pole

Rnd 1 19t 1 lap + 2 secs slower than mod (Falkirk)
Rnd 2 19t app 7.5 secs slower than mod (Carlisle)
Rnd 3 different layouts used (I think) (Benarty)
Rnd 4 19t app 1.3 secs slower than mod (Ayr)
Rnd 5 19t app 1.8 secs slower than mod (Raceland)
Rnd 6 19t app 18 secs slower than mod (Stonehaven)

Surprisingly close even at Rnd 6

Now before anybody pigeon holes me into one camp or another bear this in mind :- In the SRCA I ran 19t this year and wished I had run in modified, at the BRCA I did 27t stock and wished I had done 19T and at every wet SRCA round I wished I was indoor on carpet even if it was with a stock!

Colin

Not perfect but then I doubt if any soloution will be, I think we will all have to compromise on something or other.

[Kevin Falconer]

The "one class" you appear to want colin is already in exsistance at the carlisle cup series, i dont recall you (or any other members of your team) actualy being at either round so far... as far as im aware this is the only time 19 and mod (and a few kids with 27's) have all been raced at the same time in a compettitive series, so how can you say they can all be compettitve? it is being proven there that 19 turns (let alone a 27) are struggling to be at the sharp end of the A final even in the most capable of hands, so in order to be compettitive a modified motor is the only way to go. (forcing folk who want to be compettitive to run mod)

like you say though there is no solution that will please all.

we can sit and bounce this discussion back and forth till we wear our keyboards out, i beleive the number one reason a lot of our regular club guys wont race outdoors is because of costs. changing the format/class etc is not going to solve it, we need to make racing cheaper, how? im not sure, but making it cheaper to be compettitive must be a step in the right direction?? utilising equipment (mainly motors) club racers already have, controll tyres, (a proposal i put forward last year but was booted out, only to see three of those who voted against it go to race at brca nationals with controll tyres..... :?:)

im not looking to start an argument or anything with anyone but individuals with their own personal agenda trying to tell the majority what to do is helping no one,

public forums is not the right place to be sorting out the future of scottish racing, talking face to face at clubs with the racers IS the place and where id rather be speaking to people to sort out exactly what we want prior to the agm so we can turn up and put the things we want in place without wasting hours arguing over who wants what.

club racers are the ones we are trying to attract to the series so why not try coming along to some of the clubs and talk to some of them, find out why they dont come to the srca......

maybe even race with some of them....

[Malcolm Williams]

Kevin, I on't know how feasable it would be, but but may I suggest that a couple of things the clubs could do regarding costs of say motors and speedos is

a) Get donated ones from dealers and members

b) Organise within their clubs budget to have one or two sets available for use and or purchase with stage payments much like our PTs

Both would help I am sure, the problem would be who gets the use and when, but thats not insurmountable?

The cost of travelling to and from events is a matter of shared cars etc. as far as I can see.

Hope I have not opened the proverbial can of worms as I genuinely would like to see more Scottish races and venues with the good attendances your looking for.

[Kevin Falconer]

i dont think its the clubs duty to try make racing cheaper, its up to the racers who propose and vote on what rules we adopt at the AGM to do it,

there are cost issues that we all have no control over regardless of what we do, things we have to take into account for outdoor racing, for example, a waterproof speedo is becoming an essential piece of equipment and is not a cheap investment (MRT MX for example will set you back about 100 quid if not slightly more) not exactly cheap compared to what may come in a ready to run kit or whatever a local model shop will sell little johny "to get him going" (im using little johny as an example of a average club racer, the type we are trying to attract) . costs like that we have no control over so we should be making efforts to save money in other areas..... one example i would suggest is tyres. i cant speak for everyone but im ASSUMING most of the guys towards the top of the timesheets will have a fair selection of tyres in their pit boxes to suit most potential weather conditions, i myself carry 6 different types of tyre in my box and in some cases more than one set of each type, expensive? yes. how do we go about cutting that cost down? easy, one or possibly 2 choices of control tyres, i beleive it would have several benifits to everyone, for a start no second guessing the weather for the weekend, you turn up knowing you are running tyre XX or ZZ depending on if its one option or two. or wets if its p***ing down, no need to carry a set of each 22's, 27's RP24's RP30's etc etc.i think it could create a considerable cost saving for some if not most folk when you think about the cost of the average set of pre glued tyres (anything from 19.99 up to 24.99 a set). the brca run with a control tyre for all classes and im of the opinion that the current tyre rules we have in place (effectivly open) makes our racing more expensive than the brca's... tyre wise anyway.

[KC]

Kevin, I on't know how feasable it would be, but but may I suggest that a couple of things the clubs could do regarding costs of say motors and speedos is

a) Get donated ones from dealers and members

b) Organise within their clubs budget to have one or two sets available for use and or purchase with stage payments much like our PTs

Both would help I am sure, the problem would be who gets the use and when, but thats not insurmountable?

The cost of travelling to and from events is a matter of shared cars etc. as far as I can see.

Hope I have not opened the proverbial can of worms as I genuinely would like to see more Scottish races and venues with the good attendances your looking for.


You been on the glue again Malc?

[big si]

im of the opinion that the current tyre rules we have in place (effectivly open) makes our racing more expensive than the brca's... tyre wise anyway.

but its your choice to make it more expensive by having lots of different tyres kev!

the brca control tyre is the same price as the ones we all run anyway so wheres he difference.

we all make this sport as expensive as we want by running to our means and as for needing a waterproof speedo no you dont!!
i for one have never owned a waterproof one and have never done a speedo due to water damage

can i suggest we get away from the topic of cost as its these kind of posts that put younger drivers off the srca because they think its going to cost them a fortune.

how about this as a bit of a resolve to boost numbers
all clubs advertise a car sharing system to begin with for all events and we ask all drivers to donate old tyres to the srca for the use of new/young drivers this will help instantly to improve numbers.

SRCA CLASSES

colins idea appears to be the best answer so far but we all know whats going to happen with it.
younger drivers will be on at mum and dad to get them a mod for the faster rounds which i think is a good thing as they will realise they have alot of work to do to be able to control there cars. we all know the mod class rewards smooth throttle control and 19t is more forgiving hence the reason i run mod (when i get the chance) and its payed off when im on carpet im now quicker and smoother.

i say we go for colins suggestion it sounds fun

[KC]

All these ideas are fine and well but at the end of the day you cant force people to race.

I think the weather plays a big part in the turnout.
This year has been a total washout and I have only finished about 2 Finals this season in the SRCA due to water damage in electrics.

Its carlisle this weekend and I wont be there because its gonna chuck it down all weekend, which is a shame because I was looking forward to running Brushless, Lipo and Spektrum for the first time.

[ballsie]

I think the weather plays a big part in the turnout.

Absolutely - the main reason I didn't travel to Stonehaven.

[Kevin Falconer]

as for needing a waterproof speedo no you dont!!
i for one have never owned a waterproof one and have never done a speedo due to water damage you have obviously been lucky then.

how about this as a bit of a resolve to boost numbers
all clubs advertise a car sharing system to begin with for all events and we ask all drivers to donate old tyres to the srca for the use of new/young drivers this will help instantly to improve numbers. a good idea and exactly the sort of thing that we are looking for.

SRCA CLASSES

colins idea appears to be the best answer so far but we all know whats going to happen with it.
younger drivers will be on at mum and dad to get them a mod for the faster rounds which i think is a good thing as they will realise they have alot of work to do to be able to control there cars. so you are saying handing a young kid a car with a 8 or 9 turn modified is a good thing??????? sorry but i dont.

[Dave]

but its your choice to make it more expensive by having lots of different tyres kev!

To be competitive and that's waht he means

the brca control tyre is the same price as the ones we all run anyway so wheres he difference.

Control Tyre is £19.99 and CS-22's are £24.99 RRP


we all make this sport as expensive as we want by running to our means and as for needing a waterproof speedo no you dont!!
i for one have never owned a waterproof one and have never done a speedo due to water damage


You are correct and I think we as a club should bulk buy underbodies for people who are going to run next year.

[big si]

kev

im not saying give them an 8 or 9 turn but we would need to advise and educate the younger drivers as to whats good for them they all want a bit of power and at the moment anyone wanting to run mod can do so if they please.

[big si]

To be competitive and that's waht he means


Control Tyre is £19.99 and CS-22's are £24.99 RRP



You are correct and I think we as a club should bulk buy underbodies for people who are going to run next year.


so your saving a fiver on a set of wheels big deal its still £20 and why the hell should the club buy underbodies for people to run one round???

i for one buy my own so why shouldnt you and everyone else this is not what the club funds are for

[Dave]

Bulk buy like they do for the PT's. So everyone can place an order and then bulk buying they could save money! I bought my own one aswell but not everyone has access to the internet to place an order.

I'm not saying people shouldn't buy there own but if we got your name and what kind of car you have then could place the order and save on delivery fees thus saving money.

£5 per set of tyres so if you are racing the whole year that would be a set per round? so £30? I would rather save £30 and get a new motor than spend it!

[Garrypd160]

I can see a pattern forming here, which might be part of the reason that the numbers are flagging.

There have been 9 different people posting replies here. Out of those nine, three have been at every race meeting this year. So, if all the people handing out the advice on how to get more racers at the meetings, actually turned up and supported all the meetings, we would be much better off.

I think there were less than 25 people at yesterdays Carlisle Cup round, but it was one of the best meetings I've been to this year. I never heard one complaint all day (I wont take Rons rantings as complaints :lol:)

So maybe the solution is, to forget all the internet debates, about what to run and what class we run, and actually turn up and support the meetings.

[big si]

There have been 9 different people posting replies here. Out of those nine, three have been at every race meeting this year. So, if all the people handing out the advice on how to get more racers at the meetings, actually turned up and supported all the meetings, we would be much better off.

.


all fine and well if you have the time off work to go to them all garry

[Garrypd160]

all fine and well if you have the time off work to go to them all garry

I agree Si, not everyone can get time off to go to them all. But most folk can manage to get to a couple at least. And if you cant, then what difference does the format make to you?

[Kevin Falconer]

So maybe the solution is, to forget all the internet debates, about what to run and what class we run, and actually turn up and support the meetings.

the world managed perfectly fine untill the internet and forums appeared,

maybe you have hit the nail on the head.....

ban all forums and get along to race meetings

[big si]

And if you cant, then what difference does the format make to you?

what you have just said is a bit below the belt your basically saying because i only managed one event i dont have a say.

oh and the event i did manage was the one i arranged because i am the falkirk srca rep


if i run one or all events i have a say garry

[KC]

I agree with Garry.

Too many people on here with lots to say but dont support the SRCA meetings.

And its getting a bit petty.

Looks like the AGM will be interesting.......if all these people turn up.

[Dave]

I have to agree.

If I attend the AGM and so do people that only attended one event because thats all they could attend or if they did it to get a vote then I wouldn't be very happy.

I dont have a problem with it but I do think that people need to support other clubs as they do need it to stay afloat.

And the falkirk SCRA Rep should be one that can attend all the rounds and not just the Falkirk Round. Yes they have alot to do for the Falkirk Round but it is a club effort.

[big si]

smally if its a club effort where the hell does everyone dissapear too when everything needs arranged?

i will be honest i could have made it too 2 events this year after falkirk but after running in the wet at falkirk decided not to go to them due to the weather forecast as im sure alot of people did.

i dont see why i shouldnt vote due to me trying to make a living and doing some rather daft shifts for 3 months or so and if you remember i didnt make it to the club during that ime either so do i not het to vote at the club agm either????


i raced at one event as has been mentioned before and have therefor become an srca member allowing me to vote at the agm

[Dave]

nobody disappeared anywhere. Everyone was to look out for a place we could hold the round and it was your suggestion that we went ahead with but on the day of the SRCA event we only chipped and help sweep the track and when we ran out of ropes me and alex got into contact with CRCC and got the use of their ropes and me and david morrison went and got them. Alex brought the Rostrum all the way from ayr but I'm not taking any credit from you as you did a good job in getting the venue and a good venue it was but there was an input from FRCC to fully run the event.

It is like the beatles, two lyrically genuises on their own but together they created history.

This really isn't what this is about and the only thing we are saying is more people who want a say in the SRCA should attend more rounds and particapate instead of voting on their views then not bothering about running.

[big si]

you know the real problem with scottish rc today?

everything is too serious with too many deviations in the rules. why dont we just run to the brca rules and be done with all this period

we all get a copy of the brca handbook so there would be no arguements its there in black and white

[Dave]

We run the BRCA Handbook but we alter things that have to be altered for the good of Scottish Racing.

Why run 5 cell when we all running 6 cell stock and superstock?

There are also other things that I don't think the BRCA handbook covers like time between rounds as this is a decision that was made at last years AGM and im sure it will creep up this year.

I DO NOT WISH FOR THIS TO TURN INTO A 4CELL/5CELL/6CELL DISCUSSION

[big si]

why do we need to modify the brca rules they are our governing body are they not? we all pay for a membership do we not? so why shouldnt we follow the rules

as i said before scottish rc is too serious look at your previous post what are you shouting for??

people are argueing about petty things like time between rounds we all know we need at least an hour between rounds so what rule are we changing to do this?

[Mark McCulloch]

I didnt compete in the SRCA this year so im probably not welcome in this discussion but when i started racing back in 2001 there was only one class in the scottish series and there were 70+ drivers attending and it was very competitive. In the next few years 19t was introduced to try and raise the numbers but i think it did the opposite as people split into different classes and it all became less competitive and this took the edge of it for a lot of people, how many of the old regular A-finalists still race today? I cant name many and these were the guys that made the sport what it was for me but it just doesnt have the same appeal nowadays.

My solution would be, one class, one champion!

In the old days mod was all you could race and it worked then, so why not now?

[Dave]

im not shouting i am just making clear to anyone to read this not to get this more off topic.

Yes they are the governing body but not every rule suits us? eg as per previous post 5 cell would kill mod racing so we do not adopt it.

UK are members of the EU but dont have the Euro?

[Big_Dave]

im not shouting i am just making clear to anyone to read this not to get this more off topic.

Yes they are the governing body but not every rule suits us? eg as per previous post 5 cell would kill mod racing so we do not adopt it.

UK are members of the EU but dont have the Euro?

Go Smally!

[Garrypd160]

what you have just said is a bit below the belt your basically saying because i only managed one event i dont have a say.

oh and the event i did manage was the one i arranged because i am the falkirk srca rep


if i run one or all events i have a say garry


Its not below the belt Si. Its my opinion. You ran one round, so you'll have a vote at the AGM. You do have a say. The point I was trying to get across (which hasn't appeared to work) is forget arguing about it here. Everyone has there idea of whats right. So get to the AGM with your proposal and hope it gets voted through.

And what Smally has said is right. I know you wont take this well, but in my opinion, if you have to work some Sundays and cant make all the rounds, then you should stand down as Falkirks SRCA Rep. Where I come from, the rep should 'represent' his club at the SRCA, so it should go to a Falkirk member who is planning to be at all the rounds.

[John Lindsay]

We're waaaay :offtopic: here, OK banter is banter, but what does anyone's personal or working life have to do with the way the SRCA Series is run?

The SRCA is organised to suit as many people as possible, trying not to clash with any other series if possible, and that alone is a different task, theres people out there who can't get enough racing done, and travel down south to race, so the SRCA was organised roundabout the BRCA Nationals, and The Scottish Carpet Championship rounds, so that as many people could do as many meetings as they want.

Any further posts to the affect of, " so because I work, I don't get a vote?" or "I work, thats why I can't make the race meetings" or anything like that will be deleted, if any one person can't make it to a meeting then that's just bad luck, and that's the way it is sometimes, this forum isn't a place to be making excuses for a lack of attendance at the SRCA or whatever, it was to be a friendly discussion into the ethics of running next years series, to find out the different possibilities, in terms of race format, race classes, number or rounds, heats finals etc...




John

[big si]

Any further posts to the affect of, " so because I work, I don't get a vote?" or "I work, thats why I can't make the race meetings" or anything like that will be deleted,


John


i never knew frcc was now a dictatorship!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[John Lindsay]

It's not, just everyone get their head's in gear, this is far from promoting the sport, am I not correct? Do new prospective members/racers read this thread and think, "oh goodness, that sounds like everyone's having fun there, I'll go and enter it" I think not.


John

[big si]

agreed john but people saying i should have no say because i only managed one round this year is wrong and narrow minded i work to pay for the sport and live like everyone else so why should i be penalised for trying to make something of myself when in my leasure time.

smally what other rules are there that dont suit scotland? as you have now said 5 cell twice

[big si]

mark mccolloch has a very good point. we ran one class for god knows how many years and it was fine

[Dave]

smally what other rules are there that dont suit scotland? as you have now said 5 cell twice

Control Tyres but I am for that this year!

People don't like the points system we have adopted from the BRCA aswell

etc etc etc

[big si]

hardly problem making points though are they

[Dave]

What do you mean?

If we went for your proposal that would be end of AGM!

We already run to BRCA handbook then change rules to suit scottish racing.

[Garrypd160]

agreed john but people saying i should have no say because i only managed one round this year is wrong and narrow minded i work to pay for the sport and live like everyone else so why should i be penalised for trying to make something of myself when in my leasure time.

smally what other rules are there that dont suit scotland? as you have now said 5 cell twice

I never said you shouldn't have a say. I said stop arguing on here about it and come along to the race meetings. And I wasn;t actually getting at you, you just took it as a personal attack.

Mark does have a point. It ran fine with one class (in hindsight), but the people at the AGM way back when voted to change it, so obviously the one class didn;t work (in there opinions at the time). If it did work, it would never have been changed.
What we currently have works perfectly fine too. No1 has actually complained that they dont like the classes. All the complaints are about the numbers being down. The reason the numbers are down is nothing to do with the classes.
I cant speak for everyone, but I have personally asked the Ayr club members why they are not running (because of this debate). And it comes down to 2 things. Some people dont run because they dont want to travel, and other people dont run, coz they think its full of people who spend too much time bitching about rules and silly things, so its not a fun day out.

Changing the classes wont make ANY of the Ayr members come to compete, and from speaking to other people, I dont think that is just indicative of one club. I may be wrong though.

If everyone who hasn;t raced all year gives us an indication why, then maybe we can do something to sort it. Changing the classes wont automatically increase numbers. If anything, its more likely to drive away racers that currently turn up.

So far we've had two reasons for people not turning up.
1. Weather - There have been 6 rounds, 2 of which were wet from my memory. Kenny was the one to mention the weather and he was at both wet rounds so I'm not exactly sure why the weather kept him away from the others. We need to remember we live in Scotland. If we stay in waiting for the weather, we'll never leave the house.

2. People have to work on the Sunday - Does having the racing over two days (as previously mentioned) help this? Or has it just bee bad luck that you have a new job just as the season has started and the day we run wotn matter? I cant really see how things can be arranged around everyones working schedule.

Anyone else care to put forward a reason why they haven;t raced and we can all think how to sort it for next year?

[big si]

i mean these points arent going to cause any problems in terms of racing are they.i just dont see why we shouldnt run to brca rules all the way i havent heard one good reason yet. too many rules make things complicated do they not? and i spent weeks at the start of the year trying to get the new srca rules and agm minutes but had no joy my point in this is why mess with what is a highly recognised and respected organisation and racing series

[Dave]

because if we did this last year we would have been running control tyres and 5 cell mod and it would have killed mod!

[big si]

points taken garry and i have to agree with them

[Dave]

2. People have to work on the Sunday - Does having the racing over two days (as previously mentioned) help this? Or has it just bee bad luck that you have a new job just as the season has started and the day we run wotn matter? I cant really see how things can be arranged around everyones working schedule

Your boss employs everyone?

[Garrypd160]

i mean these points arent going to cause any problems in terms of racing are they.i just dont see why we shouldnt run to brca rules all the way i havent heard one good reason yet. too many rules make things complicated do they not? and i spent weeks at the start of the year trying to get the new srca rules and agm minutes but had no joy my point in this is why mess with what is a highly recognised and respected organisation and racing series

I would be quite happy to run to the BRCA book, but it creates as many problems as it solves. We all need to run control tyres, therefore not supporting Scottish shops. All the mod guys will quit coz they have to run 5 cell instead of 6, and it means we need a 27t class, therefore diluting the classes further than now.

The BRCA works down south, coz they have the numbers turning up to support the classes.

[Alex Lindsay]

Hi all

I have just read the 2007 BRCA 1/10 Electric Rules - there are a few issues which have been considered at previous SRCA and indeed SMTCA AGM's. In 2007, we could not follow the BRCA rules because of a few points: to start of with:

1. We did not want to follow the 5 cell 1350 grams route for modified cars
2. We did not want to follow the 2007 control tyre usage (I'm not sure if the 2007 rules actually state that control tyres are to be used in 2008 ref: 8.8 & 8.11)
3. We voted not to follow the 2007 BRCA points systems.

As regards racing, the above are the only contentious points, however, there are more points we cannot comply with either. 11.1 mentions central booking, we can't comply 11.2 mentions an entry fee of £11.00 per event and other points that the SRCA could not apply.

I could not apply any of the penalties for not entering anything else but on the day. If these rules were to be put in place as per the BRCA handbook, I doubt there would be many racers, as all meetings would need to be paid for in advance. That won't happen in Scotland, for fear of getting a few entries.

Point 12 - race officials - we have difficulty enough getting drivers to turn up for meetings without going into the roles and positions discussed here in point 12.

The simple thing is these rules were written for a different breed of people who have different ideas on how our hobby/sport should be run, and of course they are in the habit of having many more competitors than we have. I think they are also more dedicated than the majority of Scottish racers.

I thought the series went really well in 2007 with its relaxed rules etc. but it may not bother me what is voted in for 2008 as I might not be voted, or even want to stand in 2008 either.

[Garrypd160]

I've got to agree with Alex. Other than a few daft whinges, I haven't heard anyone complaing about the racing this year. I think everyone at the race meetings is happy with the way things are. It would just be nice to see a few more faces.

And I, for one, would hope that Alex doesnt decide to stand down at this years AGM, as I dont think there is ANY better ambassador for the sport, currently involved in Scottish racing.

[KC]

It is like the beatles, two lyrically genuises on their own but together they created history.

Thats a classic Smally!

Sounds like something my Uncle Norman would say.
And he is a grade A rocket.

[Dave]

Just trying to bring some humour and be serious at the same time kenny.

[Kevin Falconer]

because if we did this last year we would have been running control tyres and 5 cell mod and it would have killed mod!

considering the only driver running 5 cell in the modified class won the series i think that statement is complete C**P!

john, you said you spoke to the ayr members about why they dont come along to the srca, iv done the same with some of the kirkcaldy members and the simple fact is, thy are not interested. even our own club chairman took nothing to do with organising or runnng the kirkcaldy meeting, it was all myself, andy and Da (iain McAndrew for those of you not familiar with the name) DDRCC guys are the same, not interested. we cant make people race so instead of arguing why not put ideas forward and your reasons why you think your ideas will work.

arguing over who has the right to vote or not is pointless. you race at one or more meeting you instantly become a member of the srca and as such have the right to vote at the agm. no amount of arguing will change that.

alex has several good points regarding officials etc and how some of the rules could be difficult to implement, how about we run to the brca book next year, but, we can use our agm to discuss things in the book we cant implement or feel arent relevent to our series and propose our own changes using the book as our basis???

[Dave]

considering the only driver running 5 cell in the modified class won the series i think that statement is complete C**P!

Any reason why u think this is crap?

[Kevin Falconer]

well going 5 cell hasnt killed the modified class like you say it would have.

quite the opposite i say, having massive amounts of power (6 cell) maybe isint the answer for modified.

and a correction to my original statement about the only driver running 5 cell in modified, i forgot niail cochrane run 5 cell too

[Dave]

We are talking about scottish racing and I do not think that we would ahve got the same people running mod as we did if it went 5 cell but then you would have to ask the people who run mod?

Gordon, Iain, Ron, Simon, ballsie, Fergie, etc?

[John Lindsay]

I think smally's right, making the class 5 cell mod, would, to a certain extent have killed it, as this would mean people would need 2 sets of cells, a set of 5 cell packs for the SRCA Mod Series, and a set of 6 cell packs for their club racing.

It's been done before, running 5 cells at club level, and I think, but I'm not sure, that if you were to ask Stephen Creswell, that he'd likely admit to it being uncompetitive against the 6 cell cars.



John

[Dave]

If we went 5 cell we could keep the same speed by allowing 17T motors and 23T motors as i think this i what other places run but its just complicating stuff.