SRCA Rd4 - Falkirk

[Big Bruce]

Well time is disappearing to find a venue...Hows the search coming along? anyone had any luck? Simon and Malcolm?

[John Lindsay]

I think we need to be sure of a venue pretty soon, It's a big job and if we can't take it on at this time then we need to let it be known so a replacement venue can be found.

I'm sure we can do it, it's just that we need to find a venue.



John

[frickinevilpaint]

There has got to be somewhere in the area. I think a committee meeting is maybe overdue with this looming.

[big si]

ok guys here is an idea who is willing to go on a scouting mission on saturday i havent had the time since the start of the year

[frickinevilpaint]

I'l come hunting for one. Anyone else?

[Alex Lindsay]

I wouldn't mind spending Saturday morning looking around the area, but I don't know it very well. Keep in mind there is a carpet meeting at Dunfermline on the Sunday which may have a 1/12th class and peeps will be preparing for that!

I would gladly come through at 09:00 on Saturday with the boys to do a bit of searching....

Yer Auld Pal

[Big Bruce]

Sounds like a plan, i would be available at 11:00...

[big si]

ok can i ask for a driver meeting meeting on friday night before racing starts so we can get some numbers and get a meeting place

can i ask the barcleys to say to there dad


this s now priority this has to happen this year guys

[Malcolm Williams]

:) I have found a possible venue I hope, Blair and I know the owner who I have spoken to today and she would like to see someone about the requirements for the meet and to show the building and outside areas available.
So if it could be fitted in on Saturday she would appreciate the visit.
The venue is , E&O Laboratories, Burnhouse Farm and Lochan, Allandale Bonnybridge, and the owners name is Virginia.
I will see her if you are interested after your visit.
I will be at the club Friday if the bug stays away and we can discuss furtherif you want
Malky :) :wink:

[Alex Lindsay]

I take it that laboratory site don't make things that makes you glow in the dark? Och you guys in the Falkirk area will be well used to the fall-out around there.

Sound like a good prospect. Is it near any public toilets or ones which can be used? What about food - is there ant nearby?

If no toilets, we may need to consider hiring a portaloo!

Hopefully a few of us can view the site on Saturday.

[Malcolm Williams]

:) Food can be made available ( usually barbecued and to a very good standard) and toilets are there, all depends on the clubs final negotiations; so its up to the club :) :wink:

[Maxxed_Ross]

It wouldn't cost anything to get a burger van to come along would it? :?

[big si]

right guys

i was totaly appalled with the outcome on friday night.

Is this the kind of help we can expect for when we hold a meeting, nobody wanting to help but all wanting to race.
This can only be achieved if we all pull our weight.
How many of you know the work that goes into organising and running an event of this size, come on guys we can do better, we need this event and it will be good for us all.

Can i also say many thanks to our webmaster bryce and Alex, John and Alan Lindsay who came out today to look for a venue, we have found 2 sites that would be more than perfect for an event like this. One of which was massive, i will be chasing these up at the start of the week so with any luck we may well have a venue in the next few weeks

regards si

[scotty]

Well i must also thank the guys who made the effort to go and see what we could use for an outdoor track.I was appalled at the response Si and the guys got on friday night and if we want to do big things like a round of the scottish then we really need to pull all our resources together as a club and make it happen.I would have been there on saturday but i had 2 kids to look after and buy presents for mothers day for them, but anything else that i'm needed for i'll help all i can.
Cheers lads and laddettes.

[MarcRitchie]

Ditto, hard for us to make it up on the Saturday with both me and Dave working.

Anything that needs done that we can help with we will no doubt volunteer for.

[big si]

well guys we have an update on our srca round we have a venue and what a venue it is a mass expanse of high quality new tarmack just accross the road from the travel inn at larbert.
A special thanks goes out to lorraine aitken from scottish fuels who has made this possible by kindly letting us use the site

the only thing is we will have to get some portaloos which i have left in the care of scotty who appears to have come up trumps. well done scotty.

this is our first ever touring car scottish now lets make it the best


i will be asking for a driver meeting on friday night to fill everyone in

regards

simon dawson

[Big Gordy]

How SPOOKY is that :shock: That's the very same parking lot where Ross 'plays' with his nitro's 8) It's VERY stoney so will need an awful lot of sweeping :cry: It has a few drains as well if I remember correctly which we'll have to avoid. Like Si says the tarmac is very new. Bryce might have some video footage of the last time we were down :wink: Ross has some still pictures on his Tamiya club web page.

[Big Gordy]

OK I've checked in Ross' Tamiyaclub and its on the 3rd page with the title 'Outdoor Practise Ground'
There not great pictures but it will give you an idea.............. :wink:

[big si]

thats the very place here is the link for everyone i will get some photos for bryce to post so everyone can see it in detail

http://www.tamiyaclub.com/showroom_model.asp?cid=21736&id=1442

[Big Bruce]

How SPOOKY is that :shock: That's the very same parking lot where Ross 'plays' with his nitro's 8) It's VERY stoney so will need an awful lot of sweeping :cry: It has a few drains as well if I remember correctly which we'll have to avoid. Like Si says the tarmac is very new. Bryce might have some video footage of the last time we were down :wink: Ross has some still pictures on his Tamiya club web page.

Yeh, While out on our reckie that was a port of call...looking forward to it all ready!

[Big Bruce]

Here is a picture of the site, as taken back in May last year, its a excellent size as you can see by the car parking spaces...14 spaces wide... so we are talking 35 metres x 25 metres at least.

http://www.frcc.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/SRCARd4location.JPG

[Maxxed_Ross]

another point.....it might look flat in that pic, but it aint :wink:

It's got a bit of a 'hump' in the middle so that should keep things interesting at high speed :shock: :lol:

Oh and what's more spooky...I suggested this place MONTHS AGO but suppose that's what I get for looking in advance when no-body else could be bothered :roll:

[Grant Barclay]

Right guys, it's great that we've found a venue.
Now we have to think about the other things that will need to be organised...

power
rostrum
how we are going to get track stuff, ect. there
where will the entries have to be sent

there probably more but that all i can think of just now.

im sure this stuff will be brought up on friday but its just some things to think about.

[big si]

ross how many months ago did you suggest it as i had never heard of it till saturday ?

grant power is sorted
toilets are sorted
rostrum shouldnt be a problem
track stuff will fit in mine or my mates van so were sorted

[Grant Barclay]

kk gdgd simon uv certainly thought this out, gd man

[big si]

there is no choice if we want this to work everything must be done in advance

[Grant Barclay]

i know thats y i though id mention those things

[Maxxed_Ross]

ross how many months ago did you suggest it as i had never heard of it till saturday ?

I suggested it as soon as a Falkirk round was suggested. I've been using that carpark since the place was finished. But not to worry, Lucky Bryce could show you where it was :wink:

[Big Bruce]

ross how many months ago did you suggest it as i had never heard of it till saturday ?

I suggested it as soon as a Falkirk round was suggested. I've been using that carpark since the place was finished. But not to worry, Lucky Bryce could show you where it was :wink:

It certainly was brought up in conversation, but in the end as Ross says all is sorted and we can get down to running the event :twisted:

The 2action plan" is well under way, none of the above are major problems execpt perhaps the rostrum, but we could even make one if we put our heads together...

[MarcRitchie]

One was made at Ayr by one of the club members dads.

An amazing job as anyone who attended our SMTCA meeting last year would attest to.

[big si]

i will see what i can come up with even if we need to hire scaffold to do it

oh and thats the confirmation for the site through
i will tell you all about it on friday though

[Maxxed_Ross]

It would be dead easy to make one from scaffolding, that's what the old Falkirk Buggy Club did for outdoor stuff down Larbert Lido all those years ago.

I've done the scaffolding course too so I know how to use it safely, anyone else?

Also would hiring a portacabin be an option? I'm sure a company somewhere does those ones you see at the Highland Show and the like with the little observation deck on the roof, and that would keep race control warm and dry 8)

[John Lindsay]

Ayr's rostrum would be available for hire if we wanted that.

As I discussed with Simon, we could also look into hiring/borrowing Stirlings, although it's not as good as Ayr's it is nearer to hand and could be improved on I'm sure.

Scaffolding (I think) would be a Last resort, when there are other possibilities. This is just the way I see it anyway (I may be wrong lol)



John

[Maxxed_Ross]

Yeah the stirling one is an option, and they still owe my a favour after I ran their 6th scale National meeting last year.

The most important MUST MUST MUST VITAL feature is height. For an area that size the rostrum will need to be a good height :x

[Alex Lindsay]

We need to watch with constructing a rostrum that would be over 2.0 metres in height. There would be Health & Safety issues.

Booking in will all be done centrally through the srca committee. We have already got three entries.

Simon, does your generator have some sort of surge protection or will the club need to invest in something similar to protect the PC and Amp. Assuming the amp will work of the generator. Maybe worth a dummy run one night.

If you go to the SRCA.org there are documents that are there in order to help us clubs provide similar situations for all drivers.

Need to think of some track marking/layout system other than fire hoses. Anyone in the line of plastic extrusions? Like square guttering etc.

Things seem to be coming together.....

[Alex Lindsay]

Bryce

How about reducing the physical size of the foatie so i don't have to scroll to the right for miles......... hehe

[Maxxed_Ross]

You're bang on with the H&S but 2m would be more than enough 8)

I think the ropes would be fine for marking the track, and it's hard to jump over :lol:

The only problem might be the size of the track :?

[Big Bruce]

The only problem might be the size of the track :?

You mean too big for the ropes or too big . (fullstop :wink: ) i take it you mean the first!

[Maxxed_Ross]

You mean too big for the ropes or too big . (fullstop :wink: ) i take it you mean the first!

well I mean they might not be long enough but I'm sure we'll manage (ye cheeky bugger :wink: )

[big si]

the genny i can get my hands on ran kirkaldys first round at stirling last year it only conked out because it ran out of petrol (garry dunn was told by me to check it and didnt) surge protector wise no it doesnt but to be honest the club should be using one anyway a laptop is a very expensive item to not look after

[Big Bruce]

You mean too big for the ropes or too big . (fullstop :wink: ) i take it you mean the first!

well I mean they might not be long enough but I'm sure we'll manage (ye cheeky bugger :wink: )

If its not long enough we can sort it out with some sweeping corners onto/off the straight...Stirling last year didnt have a big long straight, nor did Carlisle...

We will need to put out heads together and build a wonder track ;)

[big si]

a wonder track eh shouldnt be a problem for us boys eh now all you angular track building guys go do your homework and follow suit from bryce, ross s, and myself

[Maxxed_Ross]

I'm sure I can come up with something .... I'm not coming down on Friday but I'll go get the sizes tomorrow and get something together 8)

[MarcRitchie]

Angular tracks arent that bad I quite like them to be honest forces a driver to make and choose a good line through the corner.

The track shouldnt be to difficult to build, but you gotta remember your building for different classes.

[Maxxed_Ross]

Eh? :shock:

A tracks a track so a good one shouldn't affect different classes a great deal. 8)

[MarcRitchie]

Course it will didnt you race at Stirling in 19 turn last year? How will stocks get on at Stonehaven?

Also, imo Carlisle is way to small for a mod 19 is the perfect size for it. And its a very enjoyable track just not great for the real quick motors?

Edit- So the track layout in my eyes is vital balance must be struck without impeding one class.

[Maxxed_Ross]

You are right enough about a good balance but you don't go changing tracks around to suit a particular class. The important thing is to start off with a good track that won't need changed 8)

You wouldn't go to the likes of Silverstone and say "oi, that back straight's too long for my liking so go and change it!" :roll: :lol:

And yes I was at the Stirling round in the 19t class and the stock class at Stonehaven, your point being what? :?

[Alex Lindsay]

See nothings changed with the bickering then.....

Before anyone rushes off and starts designing track layouts, good or bad, no one has mentioned which area has to be used. i.e Rostrum facing North, South East or West - perhaps it should face North then the sun will be behind you.

Using the whole area would be far to big, and of course leave no parking space for pitting. A survey needs to be done during the course of a day to find out where the suns shines from (if we are fortunate to have some) and this will dictate where the rostrum will need to be placed. However, if the car park is square, then in my opinion, the track layout should be made to fit into half of the car park.

[MarcRitchie]

And yes I was at the Stirling round in the 19t class and the stock class at Stonehaven, your point being what? :?

My point is that a track for 1/5th scale cars is not suitable for racing 19turn boring as hell springs to mind.

At least with being able to design a track the oppurunity is there to appeal to all classes rather than to just the one.

Anyway, good point alex re the sun. All these things will need to be considered as to be honest people will find a reason to complain.

[Big Gordy]

:shock: You're the first I've heard say it was boring :?
IMHO I don't think its that different from the Stonehaven track.......but hey I'm just the 'mechanic' what do I know :roll:
Maybe Stonehavens 'boring' to drive as well :wink:
I watched the 1/5ths go round at their event and the track looked tiny in comparison:shock:
Lets not get too much into all the nitty gritty of our outdoor event on the forum until all the people involved have a game plan mapped out. We've only just been informed of the location and already the forum is highlighting 'problems' :shock:
Lets just calm down and discuss it all as a club on Friday night to formulate a plan of action...........its early days yet 8)
Good to see everyone is up for this though :D

[HPI Pro4]

''bickering'' ''calm down'' ?????????????
theres nothing wrong with marc and ross's convo, why are people trying to turn this into a fight.

[Maxxed_Ross]

I'm not trying to fight with anyone :?

Back on topic I don't think Stirling was too bad track wise. Ok the back straight was long, but that's normal on most tracks - and I never had a problem with speed down the straight (just ask Alan Harvey - he couldn't believe how fast that little Sprint was going :lol: )

The track didn't actualy look that different in lengh to Stonehaven, but it's different strokes for different folks :wink: That's the idea, everyone will be better at some tracks that onthers, even at different bits of a track. That's what makes the racing so good imo :)

[scotty]

The Mods are watching heh heh

[big si]

can i just say

why is it hardly nobody was interested when asked to help look for a track but now a venue has been found people are slating it already let the people involved get things sorted and finalised then put your points forward ok wait till friday to find out all the facts before getting fired in about this

thanks

[Maxxed_Ross]

Exactly.

How many people here have even seen it anyway? :x And the area around about it? If you have then most of the above 'problems' just seem silly and un-informed. :roll:

Trust us, you'll all like it - it's a great site for this kind of thing :D

[ballsie]

Locked until we can discuss on Friday as requested by simon.

Its best to have an open discussion rather than what being going on here in the last few days.