And you thought that our boy racers lacked a little taste!

[frickinevilpaint]

This just goes to show that we are indeed fortunate (if it is possible to say that in this context) that our local ned boy racers stick to Novas and Pugs. Scottish ned cars are subtle and entirely tasteful compared to this lot.

http://tanetane92.web.infoseek.co.jp/20050116tas2.html

Enyoy (if possible) this goldmine of deeply tasteless material. We really should get in control of our borders to stop any infiltration of this garbage.

I should also add that perhaps you young chavs might actually like the first couple of cars as they are done in the usual tastless max power way but keep scrolling down until you get to the real rot. Mind you there are probably those amongst you that will like the whole lot of them and this might inspire your next project.

[Maxxed_Ross]

A typical teacher post.... self opinionated and full of bull :roll:

For the less informed out there the first 6 pics are typical of Jap style modding, with big alloys and wide bodykits - while still keeping a clean incluttered look. It's safe to say that any of these (even the first one, a very old tyota corolla) cars would thrash top production cars like old Porsches and BM's and leave them for dead. I'd have any one of the top ones :wink:

As for the slightly strainger stuff further down, most of them are Rokkou Racers of some form or another (very similar to Thunderdome in this country :wink: ) The car's need all the downforce they car get to get around 900bhp onto the wet circuit. Judging by the size of some of the intercoolers they could be V8 transplants. It's down to the rules why the cars look how they do. (Think about old rally cars like the Audi Quattro and Metro 6R4 - they looked almost the same and they were world beaters at the time :D ) The lary paintjobs just make them stand out (and what sport doesn't have that?) Weird looking but probably fly :D

A good few of them are just silly though, the huge exhausts and stuck on bodykits are good for a laugh...you can still see the original white car under one of them! :lol:


So a little more respect for things you know nothing about people :wink:

[big si]

ross you must admit most of them look so bad there are no words to describe them so lighten up its a bit of fun

[Maxxed_Ross]

Yeah you're right a good few of them are total sheds, buts that's no excuse to go ripping the pee out of modifying in general. :evil: :wink:

[big si]

i think he was having a laugh thats all.
as ever it just comes down to taste what do you like and what dont you like

[Big Bruce]

Some ugly bits of machinery there :shock: , i like my fast and furious style of modding but some of thats a bit OTT for me, but ever floats your boat...

God help any pedestrains you meet on a journey with one of them, need to stop a mile away from a crossing!!

[Maxxed_Ross]

An all new meaning to legless behind the wheel :lol:

Now what ever you do don't show James Muirhead, he'll be off to Japan to buy one in pink :lol: :wink:

[Big Gordy]

I'll need to have a word with you when you get back BOY :twisted: The first 5 are good but the rest are utter pi$h :shock: I don't care if they have 1,000,000 bhp there is no way they should look THAT awful :oops: Its obviously a 'Jap' craze. Lets hope it stays there :roll: Whats with the 'easy rider' exhausts anyway:?: Makes me shiver just looking at them :wink:

[frickinevilpaint]

A typical teacher post.... self opinionated and full of bull
1) Clearly no need for this.
For the less informed out there the first 6 pics are typical of Jap style modding, with big alloys and wide bodykits - while still keeping a clean incluttered look.
2)Stating the obvious and i'm not disputing this point.
It's safe to say that any of these (even the first one, a very old tyota corolla) cars would thrash top production cars like old Porsches and BM's and leave them for dead.
3) Hmm, wonder who that is aimed at. Whether it is true or not another example of some rather primitive unsubtle wit.
The car's need all the downforce they car get to get around 900bhp onto the wet circuit. Judging by the size of some of the intercoolers they could be V8 transplants.
4) If i am going to get accused of talking bollocks then allow me to retort; I doubt any of the cars lower down have anything more than a 1.3 and as for the bodykits all I can say is that i wish i had shares in Japaneese MDF companies.
So a little more respect for things you know nothing about people!
5) What is there to know about? You look at the pictures and you make your mind up.

Finally,
I hope it is clear to see that my original post was done in a tounge 'n cheek style. I did't put a big label on it saying 'this is aimed at YOU, YOU AND YOU IN PARTICULAR!' as you might think from reading the first response! Somebody must have had a sense of humour bypass lately - lighten up!!!!!

Not long ago some were going on about tumbleweed on this forum through lack of use. I merely added this thread with these pictures to liven it up. I think i might have now done this but in the wrong way. I certainly didn't do it to start a fight and never expected to be attacked in this way.

Those of you who know me will know that I love cars of all varieties and that whilst i have my own tastes I appreciate that others do to.

I kinda pointed out that the first cars were semi normal and that it was only lower down that the real hardcore weirdness started. Come on guys, back me up, these are sheds!

[scotty]

Lads take it easy this is starting to go the wrong way.This was just meant to be a laugh and as usual people take it the wrong way.Lighten up and enjoy the forum.

[MarcRitchie]

Ugh, my lord there some of the most hideous things i have ever seen in my life.

There are none on that page that I find even semi decent looking cars, all to fast and the furious which reminds me of Paul Walker and how pathetic those films were.

Please dont post pictures like that again :D

[Maxxed_Ross]

Firstly, let me apologise Stu, You're right I totally misunderstood the post. Looking back I can see that it was a joke :wink: Sorry for any offence caused but to me the post came over as sneering. I might be wrong.

I hope it is clear to see that my original post was done in a tounge 'n cheek style. I did't put a big label on it saying 'this is aimed at YOU, YOU AND YOU IN PARTICULAR!' as you might think from reading the first response! Somebody must have had a sense of humour bypass lately - lighten up!!!!!

These things tend to happen when you're stuck on a tin can 200sq miles from anything. A sense of humour bypass helps keep you sane 'till you get home :)

I kinda pointed out that the first cars were semi normal and that it was only lower down that the real hardcore weirdness started. Come on guys, back me up, these are sheds!

Agreed, most of them are shockingly bad, but that's the Jap style for you. Some crazes are good, like drifting, and some are spectacularly awful, like the MDF sheds later on :lol:

...the first couple of cars as they are done in the usual tastless max power way...

But I stand by what I said on this. It's something I feel strongly about and there was no need for it :?

[ford_fanatic]

Those are bloody awful looking :!:

I'd sacrafice buying a Citroen Saxo any day before having anyone of those :!:

[frickinevilpaint]

No more of this please.

...the first couple of cars as they are done in the usual tastless max power way...

Okay, purely a personal standpoint you are free to disagree. One persons 'bing' is another persons vulgar! Sorry for being old before my time and a bit conservative.

I kinda dont mind modifications as long as 1) they are done on a good car to begin with 2) they are worthwhile and actually improve the car dynamically. 3) they are genuine ie. not fake Mpower badges on a 316.

I dont think Nissan ever made a NISMO GTR Bluebird or Datsun Cherry evolution but this obviously doesn't stop the Japanese trying to produce their own home brew efforts.

Cars 3,4,5&6 are all fast cars to begin with.

http://tanetane92.web.infoseek.co.jp/052961.jpg
There is no way this has ever been fast, or ever will be barring of course a really strong tail wind.

[Maxxed_Ross]

Yeah I'm with you on the modifying decent cars. I'm not into the really weird colours or bling much either. I like my real cars like my shells - cool and clean 8)

...I dont think Nissan ever made a NISMO GTR Bluebird or Datsun Cherry evolution but this obviously doesn't stop the Japanese trying to produce their own home brew efforts.

I don't think they did but that won't stop them from trying :lol:

That was the shed I was on about in my earlier post, you can still see the original car under all that stuck on.....whatever it is. Flippin awful :lol: :wink:

Glad we got that sorted out mate - a case of crossed signals I think :roll:

[Grant Barclay]

i have to agree that some of the car there are just crap. where they got their style from only god knows.

now theres a good looking car<<<<<

[Maxxed_Ross]

Yeah it's nice if you're into old mens motors :lol:

I don't like the new Rangerover much, it's a bit too mum truckish :P

That new Rangerover Sport is a nice machine though, my neigbour works for Landrover and was off to Monaco for the launch a few weeks ago 8)

[Grant Barclay]

that is a range rover sport lol in versuvious orange lol great colour

[Maxxed_Ross]

Is it? :shock:

I've only seen concept pics of it up till now and thought it looked really cool. It seems the real car isn't quite like the final concept pics then :wink:

[ballsie]

Are you maybe thinking of the Range Stormer Ross?

[stulec52]

Or did you mean the LR3?
they are a little bit OTT looking at first, but it seems a lot of the newer cars seem to almost be charactures of the older models. Think H3, Chevy SSR, Plymouth Prowler etc.

As for those original pics, well anyone who is into their cars that much can't really be all bad, but those far easterners sure do have some odd taste... I was in Korea this year, same sort of weird oddities there, seems to be driven by TV shows and a general weird sense of style.

Fun to look at though.

[Maxxed_Ross]

You're right Alan, it was the Range Stormer - just Google'd it 8)

Lambo doors, huge alloys, quad pipes and it looks like it's had a roof chop - stunning :D

I wouldn't mind an H2 either right enough, it's a bit more domesticated than the last one :twisted:

That new Discovery (LR3) is a weird machine. I was lucky enough to sit in one of the first ones in Scotland when my neigbour was hiding it from the press in his drive :lol: Very nice inside and the way that air suspension and centre diff work are amazing :o , shame about the weird back end on it :(

[Grant Barclay]

lol the h2 how can anyone other than a millionare afford to run one of those in britain with its amazing 1mpg lol

i actually quite like the shape of the new discovery, cos its just different. and i like the range rover sport cos its slightly different form the normal range rover sort of more modern shape of the 2nd gen ranger rover from the 90s.

[ballsie]

lol the h2 how can anyone other than a millionare afford to run one of those in britain with its amazing 1mpg lol

I was speaking to one of the sales guys at Phoenix Mitsubishi, they had an H2 in the showroom. Seemingly you get about 8mpg normally but 1mpg is possible when going up a steep hill. He'd seen it done going up the hill to blytheswood square in glasgow (why was he taking a hummer to blytheswood sq. if you know what I mean :wink: )

[big si]

it must be nice to be able to afford to run it but to go places like that in glasgow in one he must be a thrill seeking madman did he drive over all the other cars

[ford_fanatic]

Grant Barclay wrote:
lol the h2 how can anyone other than a millionare afford to run one of those in britain with its amazing 1mpg lol


Cars like the H2 should be banned!!! They are planet killing brutes and the 1mpg fuel figure is just stupid, even if you do live in "we don't give a crap about the planet", America. The H2 is also based on one of those rediculous American SUV's (the GM Yukon I think???) which is just crap! Attempt to drive over other cars in it and you'll be sorry!

Give me a Range Rover anyday!

Or just give me a Aston Martin DB9 instead :P. Who wants a big, fat, slow 4x4 anyway. My 1.4 Orion could beet a Range Rover to 60mph :P :P :P

[ballsie]

I see the new RR sport hits 60 in under 7.5 sec - thats outstanding for a car that weights 2.5 tonnes!

Having said that, it is about 400 horsepower IIRC. :P

[Grant Barclay]

yip orion no match for the superchagered v8 in that thing(390bhp@5750rpm eith 410lb ft@3500rpm). it may a bit like an x5 with its low profile tyres n all that but it still has the same off road abilities as any land rover especially with the terain repsonse from the new dicovery.

[frickinevilpaint]

You are not thinking about this problem deeply enough. What we want is supercar performance on the road and military spec performance off it. We also want bags of style and a certain intimidating road presence. I can think of no better combination.

http://www.lamborghiniregistry.com/LM002/LM002-F40b.jpg

You need two cars! Yes that is a Lamborgini LM002 towing a ferrari F40.

LM002 has to be the most stylish off roader ever. It almost makes me want to become a 3rd world despot dictator just to own one. (I have heard that Mugabe has black LM002)

So, thats about 3 and a half tons worth of car, at least 800bhp, 8 wheels, gun racks, you name it.

[ford_fanatic]

Did you ever see the episode of Top Gear where they had the LM on?

Jeremy Clarkson
Would anyone like to see a cathedral going round our track?

:P

[ford_fanatic]

Ballsie wrote:
I see the new RR sport hits 60 in under 7.5 sec

Ummm, maybe I could beat the Td6 to 60 :P

Excuse me whilst I go eat my other foot.

[ballsie]

lol - I assume your avatar was taken on a private runway or similar :wink:

[ford_fanatic]

Oh of course :roll: ... (the truth will be continued later)

[Maxxed_Ross]

... it may a bit like an x5 with its low profile tyres n all that but it still has the same off road abilities as any land rover especially with the terain repsonse from the new dicovery.

That's probably because the new RR is basically an X5 with the wrong shell on it :D

I don't know if you could say either is 'good' offroad. The weight alone will happily get it stuck in any situation :lol:

[Grant Barclay]

wrong the range rover is prefectly capable of off roading, the defender is over 2 tonnes and it is if not the best off roader in the world it is one of the best so you can't really say that weight will cause something to get stuck off road

lol can the orion do 0-60 is less than 11.92s cos thats what the tdv6 one will do. the sport doesnt use the same diesel as the normal range rover it uses the one from the discovery 3.

[Maxxed_Ross]

The Defender can't be over 2 tonnes is it? There's nothing in it to make it that heavy :shock:

I was looking at the pricelist for one and the base model just seems to come with seats and a steeringwheel for the money :lol:

Only the top County gets a CD player with TWO speakers and elctric windows - that's about it. Still you can't help but love the Defender :D

[frickinevilpaint]

Land rover obviously nicked the idea for the Range Rover from somebody else. Okay, they did jack up the suspension a bit and move the seats about but the kept the cutting edge styling and diesel power.

The top secret plans:
http://www.metrocabplc.com/specification_files/image002.gif

A little bit of tinkering and later you get:
http://www.rrr.co.uk/images/series_ii/new_rr_460x306.jpg

Range Rover Sport = metrocab GTi

[ford_fanatic]

The tdv6 ACTUALLY does 0-60 mph in 12.6 seconds - the 11.92 is what land rover claim! The 12.6 seconds is an actual tried and tested time!

My Orion claims a 0-60 time of 11.5 seconds :P - Seriously thats what the Ford brochure says for it! The actual time however was measured more to be around 12 seconds by a 1987 What Car? magazine I have aquired - but thats still faster that the tdv6 :P :P :P

[Grant Barclay]

yip the defender is not a lightweight vehicle there definatle around the 2 tonne mark

[big si]

the part that makes the landrover so heavy is the chassis and engine if you have ever worked on one you will know what i mean

[Maxxed_Ross]

Yeah I've had a good poke about a TD4 and TD5, solid big lumps :o

I was surprised how simple the TD5 was once you looked past all the fancy gadgets stuck to it. That's probably what makes it last for ever in old Defenders :D

[Grant Barclay]

yip the td5 is a good engine used in the discovery 2 and the later (1998 onwards) defenders. the older defenders used the 200tdi and 300tdi which again are good engines. there is no difference in power, torque or reliability between the 200 and 300. just one or two things were moved aroun in the engine bay but nothing major.

[big si]

ross if you look past all the gadgets on any car there is nothing too them they all break down to resemble a mechano set and a few bits of tin take this as you will and i have been working on and building cars from the age of 4

[Maxxed_Ross]

Yeah ok maybe I was stating the obvious. I was meaning that for such an advanced deisel engine there's not alot to it once you take off gadgets such as air con and stuff. :o

I know how an engine works Si, I work with 40 tonne ones on a regular basis out here with turbo's the size of most cars! :D

[big si]

yeah fine but i still dont understand what your point is all engines are very boring when you take all extras off them ann cars are too for that matter the cars that everyone wants are the ones that look cool with extra plastic bits to make them something special

im not saying im not for modifying cars but where has the fun gone i preffer to see a wolf in sheeps clothing a clapped out looking 5 door fiesta with 200 horses under the bonnet now that would take anyone by surprise

[Big Bruce]

and it is if not the best off roader in the world it is one of the best

We all know the hummer is the best in the world for that :wink:

[Maxxed_Ross]

Are we still talking off road as in 4x4 or are we wandering into tank territory? :lol:

If you're talking the best 4x4 in the world then the Unimog wins hands down. Hydro-Electric has two or three it uses for the worst of the bad locations - that even their fleet of Defenders can't go :shock: You can't beat those crazy Germans and their mad offroad machines (watch some Euro truck trialing that appears on sky now and then - it's awsome what they can do! :o )

But by far one of the best 4x4 / mumtruck has to be the new Mitsi Shogun. Mad I hear you cry? Watch Ewan's "The Long Way Round" and you'll see it in action on the Road of Bones in Russia, the places and the terain that thing got through are increadable! 8)

[ford_fanatic]

Here is a MUCH better off road vehicle :D

http://pics.rbc.ru/img/cnews/2003/09/04/aquada.jpg

http://www.jeccomposites.com/jec/upl/aquada.jpg

[MarcRitchie]

*yawn* Your all boring and wrong clearly I will have to show you what everyone should be driving this season,

I give you this pimptastic effort,

http://www.racebay.com/images/funnypage/hood%20schoolbus.jpg

[ford_fanatic]

Is that a Chrysler or Chevy mini bus? Either way its American - Thus crap!

[ford_fanatic]

LOL funnily enough if you do a search for "stupid car" in Yahoo image search, look what comes up:

http://img23.photobucket.com/albums/v69/smittyo25/sor_dap068.jpg

http://img23.photobucket.com/albums/v69/smittyo25/week6.jpg

[Big Gordy]

Either way its American - Thus crap!

Now, now Stuart :roll: I went to Knockhill yesterday and there were a few VERY tasty American offerings 8) For example we have a 1968 Mustang fastback (it was a terrible colour tho :cry: ) also the very lovely (IMHO) new GT40 mmmmmmmmmmm want one...
There was also the usual Italian exotica ie Lambo's(by the dozen) Ferrari's and Maserati's not forgetting the best from Germany by Mr.Ferdinand Porsche the awsome 911 gt3
And get this, the Viper engined stepside truck whipped the Ferrari 360's ass in a drag race up the hill from the hairpin :shock:
AND it was sunny..............all day :shock: :wink:
I'll get "ROSS" to try and post some pictures when he gets back 8)

[Maxxed_Ross]

When who gets back? :lol:

That bus is a weird looking thing :shock:

[ford_fanatic]

Ok I was maybe a bit OTT saying that:

Either way its American - Thus crap!

But you have to admit, American cars, in general, are pretty rubbish compared to European cars and Japanese cars. And that includes American Fords too! (with the exception of the Mustang, GT40 etc of course :P ) - I'll even make an excpetion for the latest Chevy Corvette which seemed to do quite well on Top Gear, despite its suspension that appeared to have been developed in the dark ages.

I don't care much for the Viper - the only reason its fast is cos they thought it would be a good idea to stick a rediculously large 8.0litre engine in it! You can almost see all the trees and plants dying as it drives past them :P . Aston Martins, Porsches, Ferrari's etc etc, are all much nicer, BETTER cars!

When I was in America, I remember my uncle rented us out a Ford Taurus - oh dear! A waterbed on wheels! And Taurus's are suppose to be the less softer cars on the American roads! YIKES! Have you ever seen a Buick hit a small pothole on the american highways??? Its like watching a car on a bouncy castle for about a mile or so as the car attempts to level itself back out and get over the shock of having to use its treacle filled suspension.

The Knockhill event sounds cool though. Can't wait to see the pics!

[frickinevilpaint]

not forgetting the best from Germany by Mr.Ferdinand Porsche
It is Dr. Ing. h.c. F. PORSCHE going by what it says on my VIN plate!
I heard that Knockhill was very good indeed. And amazingly it was a nice day.

[Big Gordy]

You're right Stu :lol: I forgot he was a doctor. In the mid 80's I came close to buying a 944 S2. I didn't because it was Gold :cry: DOH :shock:
The other Stu :roll: you're right regarding the handling. Most of the yank tanks are awful :shock: but they have an excuse. They don't have many corners 8) You forgot to make an exception for Pontiac Firebirds,Dodge Chargers, Trans-ams and AC Cobra's. Yanks build there cars to cover vast distances in comfort which is differnt from the European remit :wink: I've always had a soft spot for late 50's yank tanks :oops: In my youth I nearly built a ZZ Top style 'Eliminator' 5 window coupe kit car with the 3500 V8 out of ma paws Rover but the missus came along and that idea soon disappeared :roll: :wink:
There was a big Chevy at Knockhill called a C300. It had a 5 litre V8 but when it was cruising at a constant speed it could shut down 4 of its cylinders to save on fuel and omissions :shock:

[Big Gordy]

And I think you'll find that a Lambo, Ferrari, Aston, etc all consume about the same fuel and give out the same omissions as a Viper so don't get blinkered by the ideal that European cars are more tree friendly as there not. But I agree 90% of Europes fast cars are more attractive and handle better than ANY of there American equivalents 8)

[ford_fanatic]

Big Gordy wrote


And I think you'll find that a Lambo, Ferrari, Aston, etc all consume about the same fuel and give out the same omissions as a Viper



WRONG!

I decided to be a bit of a car-bore and do some research into this. Here is what results I got:

Dodge Viper: 489 CO2 g/KM - miserable 506bhp (biggest engine 8.3litre V10!!!)

Aston Martin Vanquish: 394 CO2 g/KM - 520bhp!
Ferrari 575 : 440 CO2 g/KM - 508bhp!
Both are more powerful and just as fast!


Here is another comparison:

Cadillac CTS : 284 CO2 g/KM - meagre 212bhp, 2.8 V6
VS.
BMW 545 : 264 CO2 g/KM - 333bhp!!!!! over 33% more power YET won't melt the polar ice caps at the same rate!
Jaguar XJ : 249 CO2 g/KM - 240 bhp
Mercedes E350 : 259 CO2 g/KM - 268 bhp

Otherwise I agree with you on everything else :P. American car technology is somewhat lagging and lacking. Mind I will admit, this probably means they are easier to fix, and generally american cars are quite reliable (i think?)

[frickinevilpaint]

Ford Fanatic, you are the man! Thats them told. Americans have their own blinkered perspective on cars. Their own mainstream cars are terrible and depend on stars and strips patriotism to shift from the showroom. It just goes to show how little that counts in this country with the demise of MG & Rover. Despite them being not the greatest there are plenty of worse american cars.

On the reliability front I dont feel American cars have a great reputation. Example: Since Crysler took Mercedes Benz under their wing Mercs have gone downhill and have had terrible results in the customer satisfaction ratings. GM have done the same with Saab. Also a lot of the cars unique character has been lost.

On the other hand large American multinational companies like Ford have had a positive effect on the likes of Jaguar and Aston Martin, so you maybe cant put it down to 1) being american, 2) being a large company.

Overall I will stick to cars made by highly regarded independent european companies who stick fast to their long held design philosophies to produce a far more desirable product!
http://www.bmwgroup.com/e/nav/images/bmw_logo.gif

http://www2.porsche.com/all/home/image/logo.gif

Obviously forget the mini bit as thats not a real BMW just a cunning business strategy!

[Big Gordy]

Oiy :evil: Leave the MINI out of this or I'll start to take this personally :cry: I would'nt mind some of there 'cunning business strategy' ie more customers than cars, long waiting list and high second hand residuals 8)
Everything is subjective and down to good old personal taste :wink: Like I said before I like some of the old classic yank tanks. I also like European exotica. All I was pointing out is was that just because its european doesn't mean its more environmentally friendly. Astons, Lambo's, Ferarri's and the like are all very thirsty and by there very nature will pump more pollutants into the air (I noticed in your anorak moment Stu you didn't include mpg :wink: )

[ballsie]

Don't even talk to me about mpg! :shock:

[Big Gordy]

Here's a tale for you Ballsie 8)
Guy I know trades in his 225bhp BBR Cooper 'S' for one of those limited edition WRX Scooby thingy's. Now he's not in the flush of youth but his insurance jumps to over 600 quid and his mph drops to under 20.
Keeps it for 3 weeks.....yes 3 weeks then trades it back in for another 'S' saying it's not as good :shock: misses the seat of your pants, go kart feel of the 'S'. God knows how much money he lost over the space of a month :oops: Scary ain't it :shock: :wink: 8)

[Maxxed_Ross]

The new WR1 Impreza is a stunning car, but that is just crazy mpg! It must be all that raw fuel it dumps in the turbo to keep it happy :lol:

But you just can't beat the felling of a fast Mini, and I've been scared witless up in Aberdeen a few times :D Great fun.

Everyone seems to slate the new Civic type R for being a bit on the rock hard side, but when Ballsie took me out in his I thought it was one of the best rides for a sports car. After that I think I would consider one over evo's and the like.

Any particular reason you got rid of it Ballsie or did you just fancy a change? :P

[big si]

ross one small problem you cant drive so so to be honest you have got no base to talk from so to speak

[Maxxed_Ross]

That's a bit harsh :(

I can drive and have deen able to for some time so naa naa :P

[big si]

not legaly so therefor you have no experience whatsoever it takes many years to learn how to drive a car to its potential

any idiot can drive a car fast in a straight line experience comes in when you can go fast round corners and you only learn this with time on the road/track
i myself have done many hours on the track and i personaly will say im still learning and i will outdrive almost anybody i know given the right place obviously

the civic type R is an extremely stiff car by anybodys standards when you have driven so many other cars

and as for power and emissions who cares if you enjoy driving what you drive so be it its all fine and well driving a car with 320bhp(just an example ballsie) if you have the money to run it

and a type R isnt a sports car its a hot hatch there is a massive difference

finally a fast mini is fun but they are hasbeens they should now stay in garages and museums look at todays technology almost any car would destroy them in todays field trust me i have been there and done it

thanks guys for your time

[Big Gordy]

I know some people who think you cannae drive either Si :shock: :roll: :wink:

[big si]

and who at the club has been in a car with me in full chant

[Big Gordy]

Sorry can't answer that one :shock: I don't know ANYONE that stupid :wink: 8)

[big si]

a so you know my driving lol :lol: :lol: you must agree gordon you dont become a driver overnight

[big si]

saying you can drive is one thing but being a driver is another :?: :?:

[Big Gordy]

a fast mini is fun but they are hasbeens they should now stay in garages and museums
I think you have your wires a bit crossed here Si :roll:
We're talking new mini not old mini :wink: To get 225bhp out of an old mini you would have to transplant a tweeked type 'R' motor in it :shock:
In a recent go kart meeting with 20 drivers, which included several long term drivers, me being one of them :oops: (28+years) Ross came 4th 8) (I was 8th before you ask :evil: )So he can drive round corners :wink: Very well as it turns out 8)

[Big Gordy]

you dont become a driver overnight
Thats why an 18 year olds insurance in a 1.2 Fester is 1200 quid TPFT :shock:
Talking of learners I overtook one last night on the Bellsdyke Road - on my MOUNTAINBIKE :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
What a laugh........you should have seen the consentration on his face....I nearly fell off :shock: :lol:

[big si]

go karts are a million miles away from real cars and so much more forgiving and yes i did realise you were talking about the new mini thingy but its NOT a real mini and never will be minis are british and always will be not german and made by bmw :)

i would love to have seen the learner though that would have been funny as hell :lol: :lol:

but my honest views on driving lessons are
you are tought to pass a test and not drive a car i even felt like this when i sat my test :shock:

here one question gordy why are you answering for ross :?: :?:

[Big Gordy]

why are you answering for ross
He's ma boy 8) And you're a big bully :wink:
I think you'll find that new mini's are actually made by MINI who just happened to be an offshoot of BMW :wink:
The original new mini was drawn up by Rover just before BMW bought it up and it could be classified as British as its made in Oxford.
You're just jealous because you can't have one 8)

[big si]

he may be your boy but you are always the one who answers for him

and yes i am well aware about the new minis heritage but it still aint and never will be a mini and i wouldnt thank you for one either after some of the wright ups they got

[Big Gordy]

he may be your boy but you are always the one who answers for him
And your point caller... :?: (I noticed you didn't dispute the bully remark :wink: )
Your one of those narrow minded few who insist on comparing the new one with the old :roll: They are light years apart :shock: I've owned both and there completely different. You just can't compare the two together. Its like comparing a Ford Angia with the latest Focus. If the original mini had gone though the same process as every other car there is nothing to say it wouldn't have turned out like the new one. The sad or good point, whichever way you want to look at it is that BMC, Austin, Morris, Rover, etc,etc ignored updating the mini for over 30 years :shock: One things for sure tho my new mini won't rot as quickly as my old one did :roll:

[big si]

my point is gordon he is big enough to stand on his own 2 feet and as for the narrow minded remark if you want to turn to insults i suggest you leave this well alone i am not being insulting i am merely puting my point across i dont like them they are crap in comparisson oh and the reason they didnt change the mini was because they had the right idea if it aint broke dont fix it

[big si]

oh and as for the bully remark grow up were not in the playground now

[Maxxed_Ross]

he may be your boy but you are always the one who answers for him

That's probably because I was outside enjoying life and not rising to debate again to someone who wants to take the **** out of me from a distance. :evil:

I never made any pretenses to being able to drive fast round corners, and I know myself i probably couldn't. Thats why so many young drivers kill themselves - because theres always some mate egging them on to go faster.

So what if my only experiance of driving fast was in a straight line? That needs some degree of skill to do properly too.

I'll be having words on Friday because this is getting silly :?

[big si]

have words if you want ross this is constructive criticism as you say you have been driving for 10 minutes so you have no idea of comparison your going off on one for no reason

[Big Gordy]

i dont like them they are crap in comparisson
to the original :shock: You're taking the ...... :? Have you ever driven one of the new ones.. :?: or is the concept of it you don't like.. :?:
As for your comments being 'constructive criticism' I don't think so chummy.
I think we should stop right there as once again things are being taken out of context :evil:

[big si]

i dont like the idea of a british icon being german gordon take it as you like and i would advise you to speak to ross :wink:

[Maxxed_Ross]

ok calm down folks - everything is cool now

I'll talk to you both later about this silly behaviour :P

[big si]

personal oppinion

[ford_fanatic]

Big Gordy Wrote:

I noticed in your anorak moment Stu you didn't include mpg

Sorry to cut in the middle of this argument... I didn't mention mpg figures basically since if the American cars produce more CO2, then they obviously burn more petrol. Now for some Chemistry :idea: :

Hydrocarbon + oxygen ----perfect combustion---> carbon dioxide + water

Where the Hydrocarbon is petrol :roll:. Obviously no petrol engine has perfect combustion, and so you don't just get carbon dioxide out - you will get some carbon monoxide too! (TOXIC!). As a result, for example, my Orion will produce less carbon dioxide than say a 1993 Orion with the same CVH engine and a catalytic converter, but my Orion will be pumping out much more CO :( . Fuel economy will be similar though - maybe a little better in mine cos it's lighter :P !

However this does not apply to the European vs. American cars dispute. The simple fact is: American engines are far bigger poluters than european engines. The CO emissions for the Europeans cars was still lower (it certainly wasn't higher!).

Excuse me now whilst I go take this awful padded anorak off :D

P.S. Stu, totally forgot that Mercedes had gone way down hill as far as reliability (amongst many things) since being taken over by GM. Makes you think :!:

[big si]

sorry bud there was no arguement just a good old debate and can i also say GET A LIFE you geek you are starting to worry me with your annorack antics

[Maxxed_Ross]

and all because he wanted to prove his Orion was faster than a Range Rover :lol:

[big si]

still not as smart though

[Big Gordy]

cos it's lighter
Yeh rust is lighter than steel :wink:

[big si]

oooooooo fightin talk
but saying that it is an old orion

[Maxxed_Ross]

I'm surprised it lasted this long :shock:

Remember that first night down the club stuart? When Alan started reversing down the McD's drive through and nudging it? :lol:

Ah that was a cold night, screaming through Grangemouth in Dec with all the windows down playing scooter as loud as it would go :D

[Big Bruce]

Is everyone happy here? Wanting to carry on the convo? It has calmed down abit recently...

[big si]

its fine just a good ol heated debate no problems here

[Maxxed_Ross]

yep were all happy as a..........erm........really happy thing :D

[frickinevilpaint]

Right since you are now onto bullying Ford Fanatic I am jumping in for a square go. :D :D Gordon, I have the greatest respect for the 'new' mini. BMW basicly kept all the brands and concepts from Rover that people actually find desireable. They have done a cracking job with the mini. Lets face it if Rover had made a new mini they would have cut corners and it would have the same residuals as anything else they made. I think the mini is british because it comes from a british idea and is built here. Same with Lotus, Rolls Royce, Bentley etc. All these cars are still true to their original company ethos but just benefit from overseas money and organisation. It was a cunning business move for BMW as they made stacks of cash by making the mini a good car. They do cost a lot compared to other cars in the same class but the BMWness is worth it. I say its not a real BMW purely because it is front wheel drive and doesn't have a kidney grille. Although i have seen a dire bodykit that has one!

So Ford Fanatic keep the stats flowing, orions rule. As i've seen the orion more than you guys and there isn't that much rust.

[ford_fanatic]

Maxxed Ross wrote:
and all because he wanted to prove his Orion was faster than a Range Rover


All because I wanted to prove that American cars are crap, planet killers! Which I have done using some good old facts and figures from What Car? magazine. Old technology, old engines, stone age dynamics and aparently hopeless reliability. European cars (and Japanese) are just better...at EVERYTHING :P

[ford_fanatic]

Maxed Ross wrote:
Remember that first night down the club stuart? When Alan started reversing down the McD's drive through and nudging it?

I remember it well. A frightening moment that watching this enourmous green tank aiming at my front bumper. Mind we need not fear that car anymore...cos its dead 8)

[MarcRitchie]

Bryce can you please close this topic anyone who happens to look on will think all RC drivers are as big anoraks as Stuart!

Anyway if your so worried about planet killing surely you would stop driving yourself? That way you could in some way make up for our 'misguided' cousins :D

And about scary driving you should drive with Dave its fun :D

[Big Bruce]

Bryce can you please close this topic anyone who happens to look on will think all RC drivers are as big anoraks as Stuart!


What do they think when they read one of your posts Marc? :wink:

[MarcRitchie]

Emmmm good point :D

[ballsie]

I felt like a change to be honest Ross. I'd fancied an Evo of some sort since I was about 16.

I'm not 100% sure if my Type-R was better than my Clio 172 I had before it. They were both good in their own way.

[Maxxed_Ross]

I have to agree the Lancer range has always been cool. I think the Evo 5 is still my favourite, with the Evo 7 close behind 8)

[ballsie]

The 6 Tommi Makkinen is my favourite - but that's another story. :(

[ford_fanatic]

Ballsie wrote:

I'm not 100% sure if my Type-R was better than my Clio 172 I had before it

Are you mad!? The Type R HAS to be better. If someone were about to offer me a clio 172 or a Type R for nothing, I wouldn't even give the Clio a 2nd , thought! French cars :x (part time Peugeot 206 driver - squeaks, rattles galore and parts made from playdough). The Type R is also Faster :D and you can rev it to like 8000rpm (do that in your clio and your pistons will head heavenwords to meet God)

Personally though, I prefer the new Golf GTi (or perhaps this new sports model Ford Focus if/when it comes out and is any good...which it will be of course what with it being a Ford :P ). What I would MUCH rather have though is a mk1 Golf GTi, Porsche 924, or the slightly younger Escort Cosworth 8) ... these modern cars are just too boring :P

[big si]

ford_fanatic would you like a mk1 golf as i may have one for sale

[Grant Barclay]

£10 sound ok simon

[big si]

i wont even grace that with an answer

i will need to give you a slap tonight bud lol

[Grant Barclay]

ok £15 then

[ford_fanatic]

Have to admit si... I'm not in the market at the moment for a new car, but still wouldn't mind seeing your mk1 some time! Closest I've ever got to a mk1 Golf, is a mk1 VW Jetta (which my parents use to own, when i was like 3... Then they started buying Ford Orions 8) ).

[big si]

you are more than welcome to come and see it whenever

[Maxxed_Ross]

I have it's very nice :wink:

[big si]

why thank you kind sir :oops: