BRCA 5 cell modified discussion (split from john lindsay was robbed)

[John Lindsay]

Don't think were coming up Dan, can you Just refund our entry fee's from last year instead? Had paid 3 entries.

Don't fancy having to change all my cells to race against the "big boys"

John

[big si]

not looking to good for the GP for scottish entries

[scotty]

As usual the scottish are forgotten about, and if it ends up like last year where there were none of the big boys came to the event, then we'll have no numbers at the track.I've nothing against Dan personally as he's a great guy but this has upset a lot of people.
George Haining is the BRCA Scottish on road rep.I'm seriously disillusioned with this as i think the only on road event he did last year was stonehaven.I might be wrong but memory serves me that i'm right i think.The Much More GP will just be like a round of the SRCA to us and i for 1 won't be spending a lot of money on going to it.
That's me gave my tuppence worth and i hope Dan doesn't take it personally but this is how the majority of people i've spoken to feel.

[sonny]

Hi,
sorry to butt into the conversation,but i was wondering what the reason is that nobody is taking part in the stonehaven event? everybody knows I'm a newbie to this but I'm very interest in going to other events outside the club and have a few questions? Again sorry if these might be very obvious questions!!! Can anybody take part in these event or do you need to have a certain abilty? What other requirements are there if any, apart from having a brca membership?
sonny

[ballsie]

Did I miss something?

I though the MMGP was 5 cell or 6 cell? :?:

[Garrypd160]

Did I miss something?

I though the MMGP was 5 cell or 6 cell? :?:

Thats right Ballsie, but theres a lot of folk out there who think that Scotland should stay stuck in the dark ages and not follow the rest of Europe (which I think we're part of) and stay with 6 cells exclusively.

[scotty]

Gary nothing to do with being stuck in the dark ages.I've just bought 6 packs of IB4200 WC Cells and i can assure you that they weren't very cheap.I've nothing against people wanting to run 5 cell but for the majority of us it'll mean new cells and more cost for 1 event.Yes we can still run 6 cells but we'll be running against the same people we run against all year.If we want to run against the Top Team drivers then it's 5 cell.That was my main point and i certainly don't like being made out that i'm stuck in the dark ages.We had an AGM regarding the SRCA for the following season and it was decided then that we'd be staying 6 cell.If the people had voted for 5 cell i would have done it no problems at all.I certainly won't go and buy more packs of cells for the 1 event.
People remember that this is just my opinion...........

[Garrypd160]

I know where your coming from regarding the costs Scott, but if these guys are coming (and I know thats a big if) and people want to race against them then thats the way it needs to be. Everyone wants to compete against the top guys in any sport, but you wouldn't ask them to run to different rules than they have all year round.

I'm not a fan of 5 cell. I dont believe it will solve any of the problems that it is supposed to solve, but I dont think we should alienate the top guys from coming to events in our country. Its not like there is an abundance of racers willing to race modified in Scotland as it is.

I know the SRCA had an AGM and 6 cell was voted in, as I was there, unlike the majority of Scotlands racers, but as the Much More UK GP is not an SRCA affiliated event, then the choice is theirs to make.

[scotty]

Like i said in my pevious post.This is my opinion and and after speaking to a lot of people last sunday at the gp i got the feeling i'm not the only one who feels like this.

[bigchris]

hi
I wot be racing any 5 cell classes this year , my club runs stock and all the other clubs run stock or 19 , which are all 6 cell classes , i love modified but i only get to run it say 6 times a year in scotland , not worth rebuilding all my cells for you would agree , i feel this meeting should be more in line with the needs of scottish racers as it is a Stonehaven meeting but it was the Scottish GP and as so should reflect the wishes of scottish racers.

i will probably do this meeting in 6 cell 19 tun and 6 cell mod brushless

chris

[big si]

thanks brca and efra for going 5 cell.

why did they do it because we all run 19t and 27t which is still 6 cell.

to go 5 cell and still get the numbers all classes should have changed to 5

scotty i know exactly where your coming from as i feel the same way i will be buying at least 4 brand new packs of 6 cell this year at least and aint changing them to 5 for one day.

[scotty]

Lets look at it another way then shall we.If (and it's a BIG IF) the top guys that are booked in do turn up then it'll be a roaring success presumably.If they don't turn up and most of the scottish racers don't turn up, then it won't look too good for the MMGP.I hope for Dans sake that it works out as i know the time and effort that went into the track and the fact that he's a genuinely nice guy.I'm not saying i'll definetely not go but i'm seriously thinking about this.
Pro's and cons.

[Smart Racing]

That’s right Garry the choice is there for the individual to make, I think what you are seeing is people making their respective choices and qualifying why, however racers as individuals are free do whatever it takes if they want to run 5 cell at the MMGP

The 6 cell / 5 cell argument within the SRCA potentially only affects round about a dozen guys from 06 and probably only a handful more potential mod runners for 07, the bonus if you like for this small group is that they can run the same packs of cells at every club and open event in Scotland in 07 (including the MMGP).

Scott’s and everybody else’s options here are quite clear: -

If he wants to race with the stars then buying 5 cell packs represents a financial burden he (any many others) are unwilling to bear for 1 days racing

or

He goes and races against the SRCA group who will I think almost exclusively make up the 6 cell category which for Scott (and I suspect several others) is not the point of going to the MMGP

or

He reconfigures his cells, rebalances his car for the change of weight and starts his racing day against the stars from a unknown set-up point with unknown tires and unknown gearing, against some extremely good drivers (if they show up) that’s bit of an uphill day in prospect to put it mildly, that’s not to say that anybody wants it easy or handed to them on a plate but as you rightly said its an individuals choice.

Dark Ages comment: - 6 cells is only here until the next AGM and only affects a dozen or so mod guys, a decision taken to protect racers from a potentially expensive 4 cell EFRA outcome, that seemed the eminently sensible decision to me at the time and still does now and as stated above still allows everybody to compete everywhere if they choose to.

Since you seem to be spending a fair bit of typing time criticising the 6-cell mod SRCA decision can I expect to see you out in mod with a brushless this year?? I hope so.............I would not like to think you were causing the levels of irritation you are only to find you were running in 19T where this problem is of no consequence to you!

Just bear in mind that in a democratic society you don’t get everything you want all of the time, there were a number of points at the AGM that did not go the way I voted but I am not posting them all over the place, I will however be at the next AGM............. the only place to make change happen!

I really must learn to type faster.

Colin

[Garrypd160]

Since you seem to be spending a fair bit of typing time criticising the 6-cell mod SRCA decision can I expect to see you out in mod with a brushless this year?? I hope so.............I would not like to think you were causing the levels of irritation you are only to find you were running in 19T where this problem is of no consequence to you!


I am not criticising the SRCAs decision. I believe the decision they made is the best decision regarding mod motors. Other classes I'm not so certain on.

And theres no way on earth you'll see me racing 6cell mod (or any other amount of cells with a mod motor), since I, unlike others, know that driving a mod car is beyond my current ability. But I dont see how that makes mod of 'no consequence' to me. The way the sport is going, when the time comes for me to race mod, there will be no1 to race against, as no1 is interested in giving new ideas/technology a chance.

I have said many many times now, that 5 cell racing will only make the current problems worse. But, it is what the rest of Europe are doing in mod, and in that respect, if Scotland wants to hold big events and bring the top drivers here, then we need to race to the same rules as the rest of Europe.

[big si]

the BRCA isnt interested in us so why should we bother to follow there rules?


colin fantastic post mate i couldnt have put it better myself

garry
colins point on you not running mod is valid as you said yourself mod is out of your reach so why complain/comment on it at all if its a class you dont run

[ballsie]

split from the "john lindsay was robbed" thread ...

[Maxxed_Ross]

I have no idea what brought all this on but I'm not liking the sound of it so far... :-(

So let me get this straight... if we want to race in the MMGP against the top guys the might decide to turn up we have to run these new rules even thought technically we don't have to?

Seems like a lot of effort and upset over VERY little gain. I still can't understand this 5 cell thing anyway :x

I'm with Colin on this one, if this be the case you can count me out too... it's far too much hassle for the only time I'm going to run modified all year :-(

[Kevin Falconer]

to put it in blunt terms, it wouldnt matter if the superstars do turn up and run 5 cell, i think you could pick any scottish driver and put them out there with 6 cells against them and still be made to look silly,if i remember correctly the decision to stay with 6 cells was taken at the srca agm on the basis that 5 cell was too much of an unknown quantity and we should wait a year to see how the brca season goes with them before we switch (if the vote goes that way next year) i am of the understanding the brca decided on 5 cell mod because too many people were saying the cars are getting too fast, agree technology has moved on a lot over the last coulple of years and the cells/motors with the potential to go very fast are more readily available to more and more folk, who, i dont mean to sound disrespectfull but, cant handle them, to put it in simple terms there are too many folk out there who simply need to accept that they will never be the next spashet/moore/grainger etc etc. no matter how low a wind mod they throw in their car, i for one will not be at the mmgp for reasons i will not go into as they are not related to this topic, however i will say that as the mmgp is a scottish hosted event, it should (in my opinion) follow the srca rules (6 cell for 19 and mod) and be run to accomodate the home drivers, then if the superstars want to come then they play to our rules as it works the same way when we go south of the border we follow the brca rules or we dont get to play simple as that, you can all shoot me down if you like but i dont think it would be a major loss if the superstars dont show, i think it would be a better meeting with more drivers giving it their all knowing they may have a chance of having a good day, maybe even a shout at winning it.

[scotty]

Agreed with m8 totally.

[ballsie]

Sorry to be picky, but remember the name of the GP has been changed this year and "Scottish" has been dropped from the title. It's the " 2007 Much More UK Grand Prix" so surely it should be run to UK (BRCA) rules?

[big si]

i spoke to dan about this and he said it was just a name and didnt mean anything as it was still the scottish GP. it looks as if you are correct though ballsie it has become an english event as our scottish views arent being look at or looked after

[scotty]

When we go down south we abide by their rules and i think it only right that when they come up here ( if they come up here) they should abide by our rules.Yes the title has changed but that's about all.Ballsie will you be running 5 cell for 1 day?
I think not.......................

[Maxxed_Ross]

( if they come up here)

and that is a big if :?

[ballsie]

Ballsie will you be running 5 cell for 1 day?
I think not.......................

'course I won't!

I was playing devils advocate :)

[KC]

To be fair this event is running to BRCA rules, not SCRA rules.

Its not a SRCA sanctioned meeting.

There is no point complaining about it. Just because this meeting is being held in Scotland doesnt mean it runs to the guidelines set out by the SRCA.

I will be supporting the meeting even if it means running 5 cells.

This is the biggest & best meeting held in Scotland and personally I cant wait to race at it.

We dont have that many big meetings in this country and it saddens me to see so many good racers complaining because it doesnt suit them.

Bottom line is, if you want to have a great weekend racing at a fantastic track supported by Much More with some of the best drivers in the country........then adapt.



Roll on

[Kevin Falconer]

dont get me started on the "fantastic track" as i for one think it is far from it

[KC]

As a Scottish champ, should you not be going out your way to support this event?

Or are you just going cause another argument?

[big si]

To be fair this event is running to BRCA rules, not SCRA rules.

Its not a SRCA sanctioned meeting.

There is no point complaining about it. Just because this meeting is being held in Scotland doesnt mean it runs to the guidelines set out by the SRCA.

I will be supporting the meeting even if it means running 5 cells.

This is the biggest & best meeting held in Scotland and personally I cant wait to race at it.

We dont have that many big meetings in this country and it saddens me to see so many good racers complaining because it doesnt suit them.

Bottom line is, if you want to have a great weekend racing at a fantastic track supported by Much More with some of the best drivers in the country........then adapt.



Roll on

kenny this is the point the event was advertised initially this year with the same rules as last i.e 6 cell 19t and 6 cell mod but they have been changed after it was all set up and now say there will be 2 classes 5 cell mod and 6 cell mod

[Dan]

Bloody hell! I just noticed this thread.

A few points:

- If you were in my position and had to cater for everyone internationally what would you have done? Thinking from a size of event and promotion of the track/sport and not on a personal racing level.

- All of these 'and that's a BIG if' statements about the top guys coming up seem to have arisen since the 2006 event where the worlds stopped them attending.....I had their entries, what more can I go on? I have even more of their entries this year and numerous emails from them and their main sponsor, Much More saying they are coming.....up to you if you want to see them racing in Scotland or not I guess.

- I too won't be changing my cells to 5 cell for 1 day - I know I couldn't beat them with 12 cells! But I will be racing in 6 cell on the Sunday to enjoy the racing and still race....also meaning I can watch the guys at the pinnacle of our hobby, racing around a superb track which we have put so much blood, sweat and tears into (sorry you don't agree Kevin, not sure why). It's a shame there are politics in the RC hobby and some people thrive on it....we all just want to enjoy the racing at the end of the day, what's so difficult about that?! Aren't hobby's about enjoyment?

- If we had made it 6 cell only it would have kept most of Scotland happy but annoyed our sponsor, the English/Welsh/N. Irish and other International (especially those running to EFRA rules) racers.

- If we had made it 5 cell only then god only knows how much longer this thread would be and how many hate letters I'd be getting through my door.

- Kenny, see you in June, look forward to it.

Anyway guys, the rules ain't gonna change I'm afraid and I hope to see you at the track in June - it will be a tremendous weekend, guaranteed, would be a real shame to miss it over 'number of cell politics' when the meeting organisers are just trying to keep as many people happy as they can.....what's that saying? "You can't please everyone all of the time"...how very very true!

D :cool:

p.s. I won't be logging in every hour to check this thread as I need to concentrate on organising the event, if you want to contact me you can get me at rowlandsdaniel@hotmail.com or through the www.sdrcc.co.uk website.

[Kevin Falconer]

As a Scottish champ, should you not be going out your way to support this event?

Or are you just going cause another argument?

i am not trying to start another argument as it looks like some of you guys managed to get started on it without me, anyway as scottish champion yes i do feel obliged to support the event but i have chosen not to and i made that decision whilst AT the event last year, i do not wish to publicly post the reason i will not be there as i dont think it is fair to name the individual responsable for my decision however i have spoken with dan through pm on here and he knows full well why i wont be there, for the record i had no intention of getting involved in this thread for the very reason of my choice not to be there so it has little to do with me. i got involved because i was ASKED to get involved by scotty as he knows my views and i think he agrees with them.

i will also say here in public that i have no ill feeling towards dan rowlands, and i wish him every success with the event.

[KC]

Kev, the bit in my post about causing an argument was meant to be sarcastic!

[Kevin Falconer]

i know m8 same as my bit about everyone starting without me :)

[Kevin Falconer]

also meaning I can watch the guys at the pinnacle of our hobby, racing around a superb track which we have put so much blood, sweat and tears into (sorry you don't agree Kevin, not sure why).

race surface is my main gripe, especialy the "cut" for 19 turn, the whole place needs re-surfaced, could do with being a little wider in places too

must say though.......


i do like the kerbs.

[Alan L]

What's the quote again "It's not the winning but the taking part"

Can we just not go up and have a good weekend, race our toy cars, watch some racing, have a laugh, socialise.

I have only been to Stonehaven twice and it is unlike any other track I have raced at which makes it all the more enjoyable.

Hmmmm!;-)

Consider my tuppence thrown!!!

[Maxxed_Ross]

Can we just not go up and have a good weekend, race our toy cars, watch some racing, have a laugh, socialise.

I agree Alan, last year was my best time up there and worst results :lol:

Highlights had to be the drifting in the p*ssing rain and the Sat night banter with John and Dave :lol:

[scotty]

I agree to a certain degree about just going up and having a good weekend with our toy cars as it was put.But i finished 9th overall last year and really want to do the best that i and my team can do, and to do this i feel racing with the big boys can only enhance myself and my team.Sorry but that's how it is to me.I'M STILL GOING TO GO BUT DON'T THINK IT'LL BE AS GOOD AS LAST YEAR.
Scotty
SLM Racing

[Maxxed_Ross]

we'll soon see eh? ;)

[Alan L]

Sorry - Just threw in the :twisted: toy car :evil: quote as bait to see who would bite - Cheers Scott!!:-D